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I believe Lou here is scanning customers email accounts to block them from GMail usage: www.metron.com does that not defeat his whole purpose to prove a point here? Time to blacklist metron they seem to be scanning users emails without there prior consent! Josh On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:18:07 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From [email protected] Thu Aug 19 12:43:05 2004 > > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:39:43 -0700 > > From: Lou Katz <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: OT - 3 Free Gmail invites > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:13:29PM -0700, Jonathan Nichols wrote: > > > > > > Joshua Brady wrote: > > > > > > >I've got 2 Gmail invites up for grabs for the first 2 to email me offlist. > > > > > > > > > > You know, I'm having trouble finding people that *don't* have gmail.com > > > accounts already. :P > > > > Because G-mail scans INCOMING mail without the sender's consent, we will NEVER > > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. > > Are you seriously considering blocking _everybody's_ mail? In today's world > practically *everybody* scans incoming mail. Spam, viruses, scams, bogus > bounce messages, etc., etc., ad nauseum. > > > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. We actively discourage > > our clients from using this service. > > Do you similarly discourage the use of ATT WorldNet, MSN, Yahoo, Earthlink, > Hotmail, AOL, Earthlink, Panix, Flashnet, Netscape.net, RCN, Corecomm, > Comcast, Cogent, RoadRunner, Cox, Adelphia, etc. ? *EVERY*ONE* of those > providers also scans all INCOMING mail. *Without* the sender's consent. > > Do you do any anti-spam and/or anti-virus scanning of *your* incoming mail? > > Why does it seem like the description 'two-faced' applies to your attitude? > > > If you want to let a service scan YOUR mail, > > it is your perogative, but you cannot give them permission to scan MY mail to you. > > > > And, just BTW, legally, _yes_ I *can* give a third-party permission to scan > any/all of my incoming mail, including yours. And you, the sender, do =not= > have anything to say about the matter. > > LEGAL FACT: > I can hire _anybody_ to read my mail, on my behalf, 'annotate' it for me, > and provide me with the 'marked up' copy, *without* violating any of your > 'intellectual property rights' (e.g., "copyright"). You have absolutely > no say in the matter, whatsoever. And it doesn't matter whether the 'mail' > in question is postal mail, or 'e-mail'. The law is _exactly_ the same. > > *ANYTHING* that _I_ can legally do with/to my incoming mail, I can hire an > 'agent' (someone acting 'at my direction', and 'on my behalf') to do. > > Now, if that person I hired were to give copies of my incoming mail to > _someone_else_ (other than myself), *then*and*only*then* would you have > a cause for action against "someone". If that person distributed those > copies _at_my_direction_, they would be immune; your 'cause for action' > would be against _me_. OTOH, if they did it *without* my permission, then > and =only= then, would you have cause for action against _them_. > > Of course, if _I_ were to do that self-same thing -- give copies of incoming > mail to 'someone else', then *I* would be liable to the sender for those > acts.
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