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just say no to html > <html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40";> > > <head> > <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> > <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> > <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" > name="PersonName"/> > <!--[if !mso]> > <style> > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > </style> > <![endif]--> > <style> > <!-- > /* Font Definitions */ > @font-face > {font-family:Verdana; > panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} > /* Style Definitions */ > p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal > {margin:0in; > margin-bottom:.0001pt; > font-size:12.0pt; > font-family:"Times New Roman";} > a:link, span.MsoHyperlink > {color:blue; > text-decoration:underline;} > a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:purple; > text-decoration:underline;} > span.EmailStyle17 > {mso-style-type:personal-compose; > font-family:Arial; > color:windowtext;} > @page Section1 > {size:8.5in 11.0in; > margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} > div.Section1 > {page:Section1;} > --> > </style> > > </head> > > <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> > > <div class=Section1> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>NOTE: I have been a nanog observer for nearly a year. The > following may be slightly off topic, but it seems as though nanog is my last > hope.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>Recently at work, I’ve been battling fellow > coworkers on a very simple debate. The fact that I will not “give > in” on my argument really makes me look arrogant, but I absolutely refuse > to let this one go without logical reason!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>The argument non-persuasively put is as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>Is a USB Ethernet Adapter a “converter”?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>Personally, I say “no”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>My coworkers seem to say “yes”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>My argument:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>1) Ethernet isnt > “converted” to USB. The adapted information from the ethernet > segment may traverse the USB segment if the NIC adapts it to the CPU, but is > never “converted” to USB.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> You > can use USB for many things, thus making it an underlying “serial > bus” in which other technologies can traverse. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> Whatis.com > definition: USB (Universal Serial Bus) is a plug-and-play interface between a > computer and add-on devices (such as audio players, joysticks, keyboards, > telephones, scanners, and printers). With USB, a new device can be added to > your computer without having to add an adapter card or > even having to turn the computer off. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> USB > in this scenario would be synonymous with PCI, in regards to the type of > technology that interfaces with the cpu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>2) I cant seem to > place “converter” above layer 1. Yet a Network adapter ( both PCI > or USB ) have layer 2 mac addresses that are stored into the PROM from the > manufactor. From my understanding, if an ethernet frame comes in via cat5, and > is destined for the wrong MAC address, the traffic will not move up the OSI > model and to the PC; It will be dropped right there and then. Only frames > destined for the correct MAC or broadcast will traverse the USB portion. If this > is true, then aparantly our “converter” is doing a lot more than > “converting” ethernet to “USB”! - > Filtering, forwarding, encapsulating, de-encapsulating, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>3) Just because a > device has two physical mediums of connectivity, dosent make it a > “converter”. My coworkers argue that a USB Ethernet adapter is an > “Ethernet to USB Converter”. If this is true, then the following > could be said:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> a. A > PCI Ethernet Adapter is a “converter” because it “converts” > Ethernet to PCI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> b. An > Alcatel switch w/ a T1 and a DS3 controller card would be a > “converter” because it “converts” cat5 from the T1 card > to coax on the DS3 card.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'> c. Lastly > ( I love this one ), An integrated Ethernet adapter on a motherboard is a > “converter” because it “converts” ethernet to uhh > ?? processor? Riiiiight”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>My co-workers arguments are basically that because > Ethernet is plugged into one side, and usb is plugged into the other, > it’s a converter.<br> > <br> > <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>I strongly that’s an understament if not an > incorrect statement. Whats your take and why?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><br> > Input from ANY of you would be GREATLY appreciated. Otherwise, a simple “I > aggree with you” will be fine also!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><font size=2 face=Verdana><span > style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Christopher Aldridge</span></font></st1:PersonName><font > size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>Network Analyst<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt; > font-family:Verdana'>CCNA/MCP/MCSA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> > > <p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size: > 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> > > </div> > > </body> > > </html>
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