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Re: Anti-spam System Idea

  • From: william(at)
  • Date: Sat Feb 14 07:14:57 2004

There are several groups working on identifying open relays, proxies, etc
and creating lists of such ips for active blocking. For example see

The problem is not as much actual open relays (which are now rare and 
almost universlly blocked) but open proxies - these come in all shapes 
and sizes and same tools can not be used for testing it (i.e. just 
sending email as you propose). Similar growing issues are with zombie PCs 
which have been infected by special viruses that makes it an open proxy 
that requires certain access codes and while actual virus-set code maybe 
known and can be tested for, this code can be reset by the first person 
who gains access to that PC and spammers do that and after that normal 
testing methods may not work. 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Tim Thorpe wrote:

> I wanted to run this past you to see what you thought of it and get some
> feedback on pro's and cons of this type of system.
>  I have been thinking recently about the ever increasing amount of spam that
> is flooding the internet, clogging mail servers, and in general pissing us
> all off.
> I think it time to do something about it. very few systems are effective at
> blocking spam at the server level, and the ones that exist have a less then
> stellar reputation and are not very effective on top of that.
> 95% of spam comes through relays and its headers are forged tracking an
> E-mail back that you've received is becoming next to impossible, its also
> very time consuming and why waste your time on scumbags?
> my idea;
> a DC network that actively scans for active relays and tests them, it
> compiles a list on a daily basis of compromised IP addresses (or even
> addresses that are willingly allowing the relay) making this list freely
> available to ISPs via a secure and tracked site.
> to test a relay you actually have to send mail through it, I have a solution
> for this as well, the clients are set to e-mail a certain address that
> changes daily the E-mails are signed with a crypto key to verify
> authenticity (that way spammers can't abuse the address if it doesn't have
> the key, it get canned)
> work with ISP's to correct issues on their network help completely black
> list IP's from their network that are operating as an open relay and
> redirect to a page that alerts them of the compromise and solutions to fix
> the problem. the only way people are going to become aware of security
> issues such as this is if something happens that wakes them up, if they
> can't access a % of the web it would hopefully clue them in.
> because these scans only need to take place once per IP per day and over a
> large distribution of computers performing the tests, I don't see network
> load becoming a big issue, no bigger then it currently is.
> the only way to fight spammers is to squeeze them out of hiding, and that's
> what I hope this system would be designed to do.
> I do not have the coding knowledge to do this I will need coders, I do have
> the PR skills to work with ISPs. I am also working with my congresswoman to
> pave the way for legal clearance for this program.
> I would greatly appreciate your input on this and anything I may have
> overlooked. I would also like to know if this would be a DC program you
> would run.
> a lot of people argue the practical application of DC. although we know
> differently this project would show them what DC can do for them and wake
> them up to perhaps other DC projects.