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Re: Extreme spam testing

  • From: Andy Dills
  • Date: Tue Dec 23 17:28:46 2003

On 23 Dec 2003, Paul Vixie wrote:

> > You'd be hard pressed to frame what NJABL does in terms of "abuse",
> > because of the intent, and because of the actual bit volume involved.
> intent does not, and cannot, matter.  when an isp hears a complain about
> spam, and seeks explaination from their spamming customer, an answer of
> the form "we have only the best of intentions", then the result still has
> to be service disconnection.

Therefore, in accordance with your logic, if I have a "spam in hand", and
I probe your servers to determine if you're an open relay, I'm myself
spamming, and that is network abuse, and my ISP should disconnect me.

So intent doesn't matter, huh?


Andy Dills
Xecunet, Inc.