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Re: Whitelisting, AOL E.mail etc.

  • From: Stephen J. Wilcox
  • Date: Fri Oct 24 20:30:03 2003

This was presented at this weeks NANOG by AOL:

http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0310/spam.html



On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Robert Mathews wrote:

> 
> 
> All:
> 
> I have weighed the benefit of posting Vs. NOT posting this information to
> NANOG.  I found that posting this note to the larger community was
> important perhaps for two reasons.  They are:
> 
> 1) The problems that we at the University of Hawai'i experienced from
> 10/17 - 10/20 with AOL, effected a fairly large userbase. Therefore, I am
> inclined to believe that someone who is at least partially responsible for
> the operation or managment of another network similar to our own - could
> benefit from having this information (I know of at least 2 other large
> University systems that were effected by the same issue).
> 
> 2) Having the requisite AOL contact information in any event - might be
> important toward at least partially achieving a resolve to future
> problems.
> 
> Now, a brief recap.  Beginning the afternoon of the 17th (EDT), all E.mail
> traffic from UH' namespace to AOL began to bounce.  This condition did not
> resolve until the morning of the 20th (EDT).  Primarily, this was due to
> AOL's whitelisting, and whitelisting policies.  Upon discovering this
> problem, I began an inquiry into the condition.  We were informed that AOL
> had received complaints from 'its members', who stated that our central
> E.mail server was responsible for instances of spamming.
> 
> Subsequently, AOL personnel and I were able to hold a dialog over the
> weekend to resolve pertinent issues regarding the matter.  I wish to give
> praise the AOL Team, who responded quickly, and were both cooperative and
> sincere with respect to their desire to resolve issues.  I MUST credit
> Carl Hutzler, Dir. of AntiSpam Operations at AOL, and Charles Stiles,
> Manager of the Postmaster-Team at AOL especially, for their commitment to
> resolve this issue expediently.  Traffic exchange between AOL and us have
> been re-established.
> 
> For your reference, I wish to present the following statement from Carl to
> me, which may be helpful to you as well.
> 
> 	"Anyone can request to receive the complaints that mail
> 	transmitted from their IP space generated via a Complaint Feedback
> 	Loop. All we need is:
> 
> 	1. Address space (CIDR or otherwise)
> 	2. Abuse email address where you want them sent
> 
> 	We will send them in realtime as we get them with the entire
> 	original spam included for your analysis. Feel free to have them
> 	send this data to me and/or our abuse phone number for now ..."
> 
> The relevant AOL contacts are as follows:
> 
> Carl Hutzler
> Director, AntiSpam Operations
> America Online Mail Operations
> [email protected]
> 703.265.5521 work
> 703.915.6862 cell
> Carl Hutzler <[email protected]>
> 
> or
> 
> Charles Stiles <[email protected]>
> Manager, Postmaster-Team - AOL
> 
> 
> All my best,
> Robert.
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