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John, I have forwarded your comments to the appropriate list so that they can be archived. Please look at the ARIN announcement for details concerning these documents. Thanks, Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of John Brown > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: comments on addressing futures.... > > > > YAO (yet another organization) > > Seems the world is full of orgs and people wanting to create > yet a new thing to solve the problem. Make it a new thing and > we can fix the issues at hand. > > I've seen enough of the BS between ICANN and ARIN (and other RIR's) > to know that if both sides would really sit down and be constructive > we wouldn't need YAO.. > > Now that ICANN has a bunch of new management (ergo LT and MLS > are gone) > maybe the RIR's and ICANN should put their hurt feeling (yes one hurt > badly bruised feeling) away and figure out how to work within the > structure that exists today. Ergo the ASO and ICANN > > I personally am quite worried about the RIR"s creating a NRO > (Is that Number Resource Org, or National Recon Org ??) > > I don't see the "broken part here". > > I don't see the masses screeming for the head(s) of the RIR on > a platter, ala Verisign and wildcards. > > I don't see the community pointing the finger en mass to the RIR's > and saying ITS BROKE, Someone should take it away from them. > > Heck, I don't even see the looneys out there really screaming > that the RIR process is broken. > > Since it doesn't really seem broken, why are we trying to 'fix' it ?? > > It does seem to me that a select few people want more control > (term empire building comes to mind) of the IP space and for various > non-operational (show me broken operational things wrt RIRs) reasons > want to kill ICANN. > > Killing ICANN in all seriousness isn't the right answer. Some months > ago I finally gave up on them, figured it was a lost cause and that > they should go the way of the dodo. > > Well that was a wrong thought. If we don't have them things will > be worse. They DO have to stand up to Verisign on this Wildcard > thing, but they can't do it in one day. > > Again, we the community should be helping ICANN get its act together. > > They are after all trying to hire some senior technical managment > people. Certainly there are qualified people on this list to > fill that slot. > > No, NRO is BAD, its bad like splitting the roots. Plain and simple > as that. > > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:22:47PM -0700, [email protected] wrote: > > > > this from the ARIN-PPL mailing list... it deserves broad > consideration, > > even from NANOG :) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Since ARIN has been sending new proposals today, they seem to have > > forgotten the most important one of all, that applies to > all RIRs and how > > they deal with ICANN. The info is at > http://lacnic.net/sp/draft-9-22.html > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > The four RIRs (Regional Internet Registries): APNIC, ARIN, > LACNIC, and > > RIPE NCC have jointly worked on the preparation of a > proposal concerning > > the liaison among the RIRs as well as the structure through > which the > > RIRs and their communities take part in ICANN. > > > > As a consequence, three documents have been prepared: > > > > - Proposal to execute an agreement between the four RIRs in order to > > create the Number Resource Organization (NRO). This > organization will > > represent the interests of the IP addresses community before the > > national, international or public entities. > > > > - Proposal of a Memorandum of Understanding between the RIRs, to act > > through the NRO and the ICANN in relation to the ASO > (Address Supporting > > Organization), the ICANN section committed to the Internet Number > > Resources issues. The ASO was created through a previous > Memorandum of > > Understanding, signed in 1999. The current proposal would > replace the > > previous Memorandum, modifying the present ASO structure. > > > > - Proposal of an Open Letter from the RIRs to the ICANN > relative to the > > previous items. > > > > The RIRs call for public comments from the community > members in relation > > to these documents. As the comments will be jointly > organized, they will > > be officially managed in English. > > > > > > >
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