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I guess the better question is, what changed between 1996 and 2003? - Processor speeds have increased dramatically - Memory is dirt cheap in a way almost unthinkable in 1996. So, a little additional routing table bloat hurts no one. Yes, yes, this is heresy. Of course, that doesn't mean that a market based system causes ANY additional routing table growth... - Carriers have no incentive to change their filters - The current length filters work quite nicely. /20s are always routable, /24s are usually routable, depending on the weather, etc. YMMV, of course. - ARIN, or whomever is the brokerage/dealmaker/clearinghouse for these deals can simply refuse to transfer anything smaller than a /20, unless its in legacy swamp space - The sellers would, for their own protection, refuse to stipulate that ANY block they sell is globally routable, if they have any sense. - Of course, current, more or less unutilized class As and such might get sold off in /20 chunks and advertised, but theres nothing wrong with this. If, by a routing prefix market, you mean that folks with lots of prefixes get to pay folks to carry their data, then its a DOA idea. Current Settlement Free Peering arrangements work fine - no one is looking to upset the apple cart. - Daniel Golding On Thu, 1 May 2003, David Conrad wrote: > Daniel, > > So, lets say we go ahead a float IP address space and anyone can buy > whatever prefix they think need and have the cash for. > > What happens to the routing tables? > > The reason the BOF back in '96 was entitled "Pricing of Internet > Addresses and Routing Announcements' was that the folks who seriously > considered the idea realized that in the IPv4 CIDR world we live in, > selling address space without somehow tying those sales into some sort > of market for routing prefixes was a recipe for "fun", or at least lots > of prefix length filters and subsequently more unhappiness. > > If someone can figure out how to get the ISPs of the world to > participate in a routing prefix market, then it might be worth > revisiting this idea. Note that there is nothing stopping establishing > a routing prefix market now, so it could be done prior to changing > address allocation policies. > > Rgds, > -drc > > On Thursday, May 1, 2003, at 10:27 AM, Daniel Golding wrote: > > > > > Treating IP space as a commodity is no more strange than trading > > financial > > options or other derivatives, or, for that matter, intellectual > > property. > > Bits, numbers, and agreements all hold value outside of the context of > > purely physical property. > > > > Sadly, this sort of idea tends to stomp on the socialistic sort of > > idealism that is particularly prevalent amongst some in the IETF and > > NANOG > > communities, who feel it would leave out the "little guys". I suspect > > that > > any real world float of IP address space would result in a pretty low > > price per ip address, if the market was sufficiently liquid. It might > > be > > cheaper for a little guy to get a few $K together for IPs, then to > > build a > > network capable of "justifying" a /20 from an RIR. > > > > Maybe ARIN should reinvent itself as a mercantile exchange? > > > > - Dan > > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 [email protected] wrote: > > > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 07:44 AM, Bill Nickless wrote: > >>>> As a thought experiment, think of how the IPv4 addressing situation > >>>> (bogon advertisements, allocations, explosion of routing table > >>>> sizes, > >>>> etc) would be different if the IP community treated IP addresses as > >>>> a > >>>> commodity. > >>> > >>> PIARA, The Sequel. Take N+1. Action! Anybody got any rubber balls > >>> Peter Lothberg can monopolize this time? :-) > >> > >> I still have mine, plus the five or six I took away from > >> the others in the room. ... psst, buddy, want to buy an > >> "8" > >> > >>> Sorry to be flip. In case you haven't already, see: > >>> http://www.apnic.net/mailing-lists/piara/index.shtml > >> > >> Oh... sorry, are folks really seriously wanting > >> to treat integers as a marketable commodity? > >> > >>> > >>> Rgds, > >>> -drc > >>> > >> > >> > > > >
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