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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Dealing with ARIN.. my experiences & tips
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 [email protected] wrote: > > > > > More importantly, a quick study in logic shows there should be no > > > requirement for the existing space to meet RFC2050 requirements -- the space > > > is already allocated. After the renumbering period there's no net damage to > > > the IPv4 "shortage" since similar amounts of space would be assigned, but it > > > would be a great help to the global routing system. > > > > The problem is that PA space is questionable. As you stated, if the only way > > to do something one wants to do is to lie/cheat/steal/kill, many people > > will do it. > > Can you quote an example of someone who was killed in the name of PA space? Can you state with certainty that no one has been killed? (We could certainly go around that point circularly for awhile). I know I've wanted to kill some of my customers, even if I haven't actually followed through with it. in any event, I'll assume you accept the illustrative point by only taking on the severity of what people will stoop to. > > Some of the "P" in the PA will break the rules in order to drive sales. > > So, the inherent assumption that a provider is already compliant is > > not a given, which strikes down the argument. > > > > I'ld advocate for mandatory compliance checking on each allocation > > request or biannually, whichever is more frequent. Of course, > > I'ld also advocate that it a provider is below 25% usage, that they > > have address space rescinded, including blocks not presently assigned > > even where over-allocation is concerned you cant seriously expect folks to > renumber in order to give space back. renumbering has to be a no-no. Why not? > > to any RIR. If an entity can not be contacted for 2 compliance > > periods (for example, a swamp /24 to some long-dead company) that they > > be considered defunct, and the space rescinded. > > i assume dead space is recovered anyway? surely the provider isnt providing > space and services to a company that is dead and not paying bills? what provider? a swamp /24 would have been allocated by InterNIC along with your single domain name. The domains, by virtue of a periodic reregistration process, are cleaned up. The swamp space isn't (yet). > > But, then again, I'm fairly liberal. I'm sure the more conservative > > liberal compared to stalin maybe ;p > > > among us (and those hanging onto former customer /24s, /8s, etc) > > would absolutely hate this, since they are getting something for nothing > > and don't like having to play by the same rules as the rest of us. > > you have a slightly different point here, i agree. theres a number of legacy /8s > out there, they need fixing. i dont have any answers tho! As well as /16s, and /24s. A periodic communication of some kind is really needed to cull out the silent lost. Similarly those who are so far out of whack from the rest of us due to fortunate circumstance should be brought to something approaching in-line. As someone else mentioned, there should not be a MAX function on registry dues. > Steve
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