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Also Sprach [email protected] >Based on recent activity with www.arin.net, I think they're more concerned >with the look & feel of their web site than the actual content. I'd say >fire the graphic design person/people and use that money to simply keep >the site up to date and functional or to pay more IP analysts. ... >There does seem to be either a lack of consistency or some conflicting >policies depending on how many allocations you've gotten. You might get >used to one policy and then find it no longer applies to you. ... >I've run into this too...having ARIN point fingers at past growth and >simultaneously quoting rfc2050 saying to only request 3 months worth. >IMO, that policy sucks, which is why I suggested someone write an update >for rfc2050. Actually, once you get used to dealing with ARIN, filling >out the forms the way they want, and have your IP allocation data in a >format that lends itself to easily filling in the blanks on the request >form, getting more space isn't that big a deal, but it still is a pain to >do, requires updating filters, router configs, routing registries, etc. >and doing it several times a year just seems like a waste of time. Once a >year would be more acceptable. We're in agreement on these points... FWIW, our SWIP's are perfectly up to do. While they're not filed automatically by our billing/provisioning system, it does put in a ticket into our ticket tracking system to tell one of our technicians to do it...and our billing/provisioning system is *anal* about it, too. :) >> Suffice it to say, that would not have been practical in our case. >If that's the sort of detail you gave ARIN, it's no surprise you've not >gotten what you want from them. No, I gave ARIN considerably more detail than that...I just don't care to share what could be considered internal, proprietary information about our network on a public mailing list. We don't have a great deal to hide, and we don't do things drastically differently than many other networks, but I'd rather not broadcast how we're set up far and wide, thanks. >> allocation...we just, again, wanted to renumber out of the PA (what >> does the "A" stand for, there, by the way?) space, with a /20+. And, >> no, I'm >PI = provider indepentent (you can take it with you if you change providers) >PA = provider assigned (switch providers and you lose the space) >or were you being rhetorical for some reason? No, I knew the concepts, I just couldn't figure out what the "A" expanded out to. Nothing more. >going to have to renumber in 3 months if you want all that renumbering >to be into a single block. Like it or not, those appear to be the >rules. Yup, thus my comment(s) about common sense being dead. >> given the allocations (both PA and PI) that we have, and we're >> desiring (for business reasons as well as altruistic) to renumber out >> of PA space into fewer, but larger, PI blocks. ARIN has been a >> stumbling block to us accomplishing these things every step of the >> way. >Other than doing your part to slow routing table growth (and the >obvious desire to get as much space as possible, as infrequently as >possible from ARIN), why do you care how many IP blocks (and what >sizes) you have? For traffic engineering purposes, there are actually >advantages to more smaller blocks. Agreed...having smaller blocks allows finer grained control of traffic...but for the reasons you noted, there, we're trying to "Do the Right Thing", as I said. While we're a business, and are in it to make money, (and successfully do so), we still try to have something of a community minded approach to dealing with issues of commons (such as routing table size, ip address depletion, etc.). I know its rare to see an ISP actually care about things like that for other's benefit...but that's really, a large part of the reason that we try to do this. Of course, not having to go back to ARIN every 3 months is a benefit as well, so its not completely altruistic, but there is certainly an element of altruism (believe it or not) to it. >> ARIN has failed to accomplish everything that it was created to do. >> Its whole purpose for existence has basically not been served. >It makes a big profit though :) Have you seen their financial reports? I've been scared to look. I'm already cynical enough about ARIN. >> Well...as someone else mentioned...apparently you can never fill out >> an ARIN form without ever being asked for clarification on a >> different form. Why don't they just have you fill out the second >> form in the first place? >Practice. Well...that gives me hope for the future...and other than being annoying, wasn't really the crux of my issues with ARIN. >> And some people wonder why most of the world dreads dealing with >> ARIN. >Most of the world doesn't have to...just North America. True...but my point is still basically valid, if you ignore the ethnocentrism. -- Jeff McAdams Email: [email protected] Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456 Attachment:
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