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RE: 69/8...this sucks

  • From: Andy Dills
  • Date: Tue Mar 11 16:13:33 2003

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Rick Duff wrote:

> I've never posted to the list, just lurk, for over a year now, but this
> has to be said. Can we please take this discussion off-list to private
> conversation. It's gotten worse then spam. I see a nanog message and
> just start deleting them now.

Come on...everybody takes turns being the nanog nazi, but it isn't your
turn yet.

Two suggestions:

Number one, you'll probably find your list reading experience to be far
more pleasurable if you filter. If nothing else, filter each mailing list
you're on into its own box. It allows you to look at nanog mail only when
you want to look at nanog mail. But then you can take it a step further,
and plonk threads or individual posters into the bit bucket (whatever the
Outlook Express equivalent of /dev/null is). I'm being nice; some would
simply shout "man procmail" and stick YOU in their .procmailrc.

Number two, don't complain about posts which are essentially complaints
themselves (albeit with a sense of humor). My post wasn't just a silly
gesture, it was an attempt to point out the ridiculous extremes and insane
overlapping the threads have denegerated into, without falling into the
"shut up and go away. why I can't ping sublimedirectory.com?" cliche.

At the minute, the following concerns and ideas are being tossed about,
which all overlap slightly but not totally, resulting in a ridiculous
mishmash of ideas that have begun to feed on itself (note that these have
all been brought up in different ways, and are not all parts of a single
thread):

sBGP
bogon filtering
centralized scanning for the prevention of abuse
idealistic segmentation of the net into the "pure" and "impure"
lack of reachibility from 69/8

If you step back on some high level, the threads are all about lazy and or
nonexistent network administration, and ways to cope with the impact on
the net we all have to run. But if you read every post, it has degenerated
into an argument over whether or not everything is ready to be a nail for
the LDAP hammer and whether or not people actually understand how sBGP is
proposed to work.

But at the same time, I can't think of a place this stuff would be more
relevant. Which is why it's good to filter...so you still be subscribed to
the list AND not be annoyed.

Andy

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