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Re: Operational Issues with

  • From: bdragon
  • Date: Mon Dec 09 16:20:39 2002

> > I think we can all agree that whoever's responsibility it is, the
> > current system is broken.  You can't actually count on people to read
> > this list.
> Absolutely right!
> And all of this discussion that you have sparked on the list will actually 
> help solve the problem. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen fast. That's 
> why I would like to see some work done on a general solution to the 
> problem because that will get us a lot more benefit from the effort 
> expended. 

As a network operator, I don't see any tye of real-time feed for
RIR allocations to be useful, esp. not via BGP.

> I wouldn't be surprised to see this picked up in the Cook Report and some 
> of the trade press because of your postings. The more people become aware 
> of how the system is broken, the sooner we can fix it.

People actually read that?

> > Maybe if IANA and ARIN and the other organizations that are
> > supposed to work together to make all this stuff work weren't so busy
> > trying to pass the buck, someone might have time to figure something
> > out...
> There are more than a few people in ARIN et al. and most of them really do 
> care about finding solutions to these issues. But the Internet is no 
> longer an old boys club which means that there has to be a certain amount 
> of public discussion and process before decisions are made and action is 
> taken. Sadly, this problem could have been predicted but there are too few 
> people willing to think about what we are doing and do some forward 
> planning. ARIN and other membership organizations are only as good as the 
> members themselves. When the members of an organization are apathetic, 
> then the organization doesn't do much more than the same old thing.
> -- Michael Dillon

Hi! What is the problem you are seeking to solve?
I thought the problem was that:
1) Folks like to filter IANA-RESERVED space
2) Apparently some entities out there haven't updated their filters
in aeons.

A simple solution:
1) IANA creates an IANA-RESERVED IRR object
2) Entities switch to using this for their filters, and the
updates happen automagically

(Didn't someone already suggest this many many messages ago?)