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Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?)

  • From: Peter Galbavy
  • Date: Sat Jun 22 10:09:54 2002

Please learn to read and go back to my *operational* point about SpamCops
abuse of out of date RIPE data.

Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg A. Woods" <[email protected]>
To: "Peter Galbavy" <[email protected]>
Cc: "North America Network Operators Group Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: attention network operators who are listed in blacklists! your
problem is with the blockers, not the blacklist managers! (was: SPEWS?)


> [ On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 14:48:36 (+0100), Peter Galbavy wrote: ]
> > Subject: Re: SPEWS?
> >
> > But then there are the whacko's like SpamCop who just ignore every mail
you
> > send them anyway.
>
> Why would anyone even bother to try to contact SpamCop about a listing
> in the first place!?!?!?!?  SpamCop merely lists known sources of spam.
> So long as spam comes from some source, it'll likely be listed by
> SpamCop.  They very VERY clearly state their mode of operation and they
> clearly tell those who are listed that they can only ever be de-listed
> by stopping the spam (and waiting for some delay).
>
> SpamCop really is just an impartial listing of spam sources.  Its
> content is defined by its users, not by its operator -- it really is as
> impartial as it can possibly be.  If its operator were to selectively
> de-list some of the people who asked then the result would be that the
> list would not be impartial any more.
>
> If you want someone using the DNS-BL at bl.spamcop.net who's blocking or
> filtering mail from you then you have to go directly to that person
> doing the blocking and ask them to whitelist your server(s).
>
> The same thing essentially goes for SPEWS or any other blacklist too.
> If you're operating a mail server that's listed in some blacklist, or
> providing connectivity for some customer who's IP#s are so listed, and
> you/they are being blocked by some mailer/firewall to which you/they are
> trying to connect to, then you should contact the administrators of the
> mailer/firewall doing the blocking.  They're the ones in control here,
> not the blacklist operators!
>
> If you're spending all your time contacting blacklist users then maybe
> you should think about why so many of your good neighbours are using
> those blacklists, and why your mailer/network is getting listed in
> various blacklists.
>
> The very last thing you should do is try to contact any blacklist
> operator and try to gget them to remove the entry for your server(s) or
> network(s).  If there's no "de-list my server" or "re-check my server"
> button on the main web site for a given blacklist then there's probably
> no mechanism, formal or otherwise, for getting de-listed (and there
> doesn't need to be).  Your issue is with those using the blacklist to
> block your server(s) or network(s), not with the blacklist operator.
>
> Remember if you and/or your customers (or you on behalf of your
> customers) wish to connect to some remote network in order to deliver
> e-mail there or whatever, then the onus is on you to figure out why
> connection attempts might be being blocked and to negotiate to get the
> remote operator to lift their ban, not to moan and whine about why some
> shared blacklist manager might have listed your network and why they
> won't remove you or why they ignore you.
>
> Now that we've sorted out the operational procedures for dealing with
> these issues can we please stop all this silly whining?  Thanks!
>
> --
> Greg A. Woods
>
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