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Re: IP renumbering timeframe

  • From: Scott Granados
  • Date: Mon May 06 13:38:11 2002

Hmmm, maybe my experience with Arin is differnet but it wasn't all that 
difficult for me.  I received a /19 initial allocation and never had to 
use upstream space at all!!!  It took a little more paperwork and 
perhaps my case was unique but it was quite painless.

Scott
On Mon, 6 May 2002, 
Grant A. Kirkwood wrote:

> 
> On Monday 06 May 2002 10:00 am, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
> > > What others have told you here is correct: when you terminated your
> > > contract with Cogent [any contract language nonwithstanding] you gave
> > > up your "right" to use any portion of their address space.
> > >
> > > As one person on here already pointed out, this is a good thing. Think
> > > about it.
> >
> > What it tells me is I should have wasted enough space to consume 8 /24s
> > long ago, so I could get a /20 directly from ARIN.  I assign IPs to
> > customers very conservatively.  Multiple DSL customers with static IPs
> > are put on a shared subnet instead of one subnet per customer.  I easily
> > could have used 8 /24's a year ago and still conformed to ARIN rules.  At
> > the time I was only using 3 /24's.  We recently reached 8 /24s and
> > applied to ARIN a few weeks ago for a /20, but it sounds like the best
> > thing to do is to use IPs in the most inefficient way possible (while
> > still conforming to ARIN policy) in order to quickly qualify for PI
> > space.
> >
> > -Ralph
> 
> <rant>
> 
> I'm sorry, but ARIN's policy practically _encourages_ the "efficient 
> wasting" of space to qualify for PI space. This is one of the most 
> frustrating things to deal with. What's a startup ISP/MSP/ASP-type to do? 
> You want PI space for the benefit of your customers (for obvious reasons), 
> but ARIN requires that you start with an upstream's space. So you generate 
> B.S. justification for 8 /24s, slap a zillion IPs on some dumb 386 
> somewhere, then request PI space from ARIN. Then two years later your 
> upstream ISP realizes you don't need the space anymore, then MAYBE assigns 
> it elsewhere.
> 
> This just seems counter-productive to me. There really should be a vehicle 
> for these types of situations.
> 
> Grant
> 
>