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Content providers have to recieve and hold spam mail before they delete it. People and mailing lists who have well-published addresses can recieve hundreds of spam messages a day. I know that, without my filters, I would easily spend 30-45 minutes a day downloading, identifying, and deleting spam mail. Not counting the frustration, that's costing the company money. I heard somewhere that ~$2 of an AOL users' monthly bill goes towards spam management. (IS there an AOLer who can confirm or deny?) AOL has some 10 million users. That's a lot of dough a month to handle what appears to be no big deal. SPAM is a milder version, but it is no better than if telemarketers called you collect to try to sell you crap. -Dave p.s. Also, if you're a parent, do you think the spammer knows how old you are before sending you "Teenage Girls Doing Farm Animals! Click here?" On 5/3/2002 at 15:27:08 -0700, Scott Granados said: > > I realize this statement I'm about to make is going to open a huge... > can o worms but ... and hoefully everyone knows I mean this in the most > friendly responsible way ever but I'm not sure entirely what the big > deal with spam is. Honestly sure I get it like everyone else, in some > of my accounts more than others but I also get a real truckload in my > snailmail box. Just as with all the pottery barn catalogs <no offense > to pottery barn I guess>:) I have a delete key just like my trash can. > I know at one time the argument was made, and quite correctly that > people were paying to receive this service and these messages cost them > money. Today with flat rate access and many people not paying on a per > packet basis it seems to me that the responsibility lies with the end > user to filter properly and or dress that delete key. I always shut > down customers who spam and disrupt service simply because I don't want > the backlash or want specific ips blocked but in a way I don't feel its > right that the carriers do the filtering it seems tome up to the end > user. > > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Mitch Halmu wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 3 May 2002, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > > > I hate to sound like the big idiot here, but what exactly in the email > > > > you received indicates no-ip.com spammed? It looks to me like you just > > > > have some secret "admirer" who thought you wanted a no-ip.com account, > > > > and no-ip.com emailed you to confirm that you do want the account. > > > > > > spam is like pollution in that (a) whenever you're not sure if you're > > > doing it, you probably are, and (b) if everybody did whatever it is, > > > life would be universally worse for, well, everybody. > > > > > > > Random disclaimer: Yes, we're a competitor of no-ip.com's... And yes, we > > > > used to send similar emails to people signing up for an account, > > > > although nowadays instead of sending them an initial password we send a > > > > confirm URL instead. > > > > > > that's the right approach. no-ip's problem was they presumed my permission. > > > > > > > You don't even have to be in the "big idiot" league to figure out that in > > both the "wrong" and the "right" approach as sanctioned above by a higher > > authority, an email message (aka spam) is sent to the presumed subscriber. > > > > One sends a password, one asks for permission to issue a password on their > > site. What's the difference in the annoy factor, if indeed one were to be > > subscribed by a secret "admirer"? > > > > Mr. Halmu chose to think, rather than bindly obey... > > > > --Mitch > > NetSide > > > -- Dave Israel Senior Manager, IP Backbone Engineering
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