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RE: RE: OT: Interesting email I received (new wrinkle)

  • From: Daniel Lark
  • Date: Sat Feb 02 03:31:11 2002

Well it seems that this CnS Systems has a site/server hosted out of
Verio in Boca Raton, FL. Seems their in the hosting biz. For your
amusement from *their* AUP:

Net abuse, including but not limited to activities such as using a
non-existent email return address on a commercial solicitation, spamming
(sending unsolicited advertising to numerous email addresses or
newsgroups and/or generating a significantly higher volume of outgoing
email than a normal user), allowing spamming by third parties to promote
a web site hosted by us, trolling (posting outrageous messages to
generate numerous responses), mailbombing (sending multiple messages
without significant new content to the same user), subscribing someone
else to a mailing list without that person's permission, cross-posting
articles to an excessive number of newsgroups, or attempting without
authorization to enter into a secured computer system. We reserves the
right to determine what constitutes net abuse.

Just thinking out loud here, I wonder if they plan on sending their Spam
out on the Verio side? Or from the RapidSite side (they claim to be a
RapidSite reseller). Think about it. They are just soliciting on the
Qwest side. They might have accounts anywhere and use those. Qwest can't
necessarily yank the circuit, as the mere solicitation might *NOT*
violate the AUP. Then we get into a whack-a-mole game.

Something to think about to say the least.


P.S. One thing that I thought was odd was the fact that the CnS website
had not been updated since 4/10/01. Maybe the hosting biz tanked on

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Hicks [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: RE: OT: Interesting email I received

> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:37:04 -0500
> From: John Neiberger <[email protected]>
> Hmm...I'm still able to reach that site as of 3:30 Mountain 
> time.  Perhaps his service hasn't been discontinued after all.  
> We can only hope, though.  Surely Qwest won't continue to let 
> this bonehead use their network.
> Perhaps this is actually a Qwest front company and they're 
> trying to lure people into using their bulkmailing services.  
> By doing this they can get a lot of the bulk mails to at least 
> have the same set of source IP addresses making them easier to 
> filter for the rest of us.  :-)  Sort of like a honey pot for 
> idiots, because in this case they'd even be paying to use it.

Actually, I don't believe that it *is* a front for quest.  One of the
responses I got from whois indicated that the name is owned by 
"CnS Systems, Inc" ...

Can anyone say "Cantor and ..."  The people that brought the art of
spam to its current unloved height?

Gregory Hicks

> ---- On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Blanchard ([email protected]) 
> wrote:
> > I just had to call that number on his web page
> > and ask if it was some sort of joke, The guy 
> > there "Paul" didn't have any idea that his
> > services were disrupted, and he even seemed 
> > excited at the prospect of doing some Bulk/Spam 
> > Email for me. 
> > 
> > When I mentioned I couldn't get to his webpage
> > He seemed surprised. I ended the convo with 
> > "You should really read the TOS with your ISP" <click>
> > 
> > hahaha. I would love to hear the conversation between him
> > and Qwest Tech/Support. 
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > -Joe
Gregory Hicks                        | Principal Systems Engineer
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