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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof

  • From: Deepak Jain
  • Date: Wed Sep 12 17:30:37 2001

Would you want the Marines armed?

I think a big concern about putting Marshalls on the planes is whether they
should be armed or not.

If you let an enforcement official on a plane with the only [theoretically]
gun on the plane, it could also [theoretically] be taken from them [say by
overpowering them..].

I personally find it comforting that the hijackers weren't able to get guns
on the plane, or at least couldn't count on getting them on the planes. That
says something about the security checkpoints established thus far.

Deepak Jain

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
Dave O'Shea
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:44 PM
To: Kevin Day; John Fraizer
Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog
Subject: RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof

Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and
use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited access policy
and severe limitations about what may be brought into a prison. Weapons,
edged and blunt, are still quite common.

Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with
threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to
the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby
stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal.

Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I purchased
for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to think I'd
be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty plane with a
couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the back of the

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Day [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM
> To: John Fraizer
> Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog
> Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of
> > > > behavior.  (Prebooking multiple flights for the same
> individual.)
> > > Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form
> of positive ID?
> > > if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a
> different name per
> > > ticket.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes.  Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end.
> Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without
> showing a piece
> of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several
> airports, if you
> have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all..
> (You still do
> need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left Houston-Bush
> International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by
> only telling the
> attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't
> question it)
> Many really small regional airports allow you to board
> without going through
> metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the
> destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone,
> and can also
> board another flight without going through one.
> I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused yesterday's
> events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm
> not sure that
> strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway.
> -- Kevin