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Well it looks like we have come full circle. www is born. ISP numbers increase like rabbits in australia (I even start one) a lot of $$ is invested in XLEC Market tanks XLEC, ISPs, .. file chapter 11 at the end of the day you can even get a dissent Internet connection from a single provider. This could be the right theme for the next Nanog T-shirt. ak "Howard C. Berkowitz" wrote: > Having just had my DSL go down yet AGAIN (a more or less daily > occurrence), I'm inclined to chip in under my telecommuter hat. Yes, > I know the best way is to convince my boss to pay for frac T1/frame > access with dial backup. Working on that. > > In the meantime, I have DSL from CAIS, with Covad as the CLEC. Covad > is in Chapter 11. I've also ordered @home cable to come in for next > week, and I'm trying to scrounge a multiple-Ethernet router to set up > alternate connectivity. (Note that I work for a router vendor, so I > can't go and do something as simple as mail-order a router). @home > doesn't seem to be in much better financial shape. > > At 4:28 PM +0100 8/28/01, Alex Bligh wrote: > >>The real problem with most basement multi-homers is they go with the > >>cheapest local service they can get, often from someone clueless with one > >>POP / one path. To fix this, they add another cheap, local, clueless > >>service and pray they don't get clueless at the same time. Then they > >>inflict bad judgement on the rest of the Internet by demanding their > >>routes be distributed. Bad plan. > > > >I do not think anyone (Randy included) is questioning the right of > >basement-dwellers to multihome (by my previous definition). I think > >what is being questioned by many and various is > >(a) their right to do it at other people's expense, without > > reimbursement > >(b) whether the (non-reimbursed) cost to the community is > > greater than the (non-paid for) gain to the community. > >(c) whether there are other technologies which cost less > > in total, and/or attribute cost more directly to those > > who benefit from it. > >(d) whether in an effort to achieve multihoming, they are > > selecting the technology which costs them the least, or > > costs the community the least. > > What I'd like to see, as a short-term fix, is to have two local > providers each agree to have a multihomed block within their > allocations, and both to propagate this block to the DFZ and each > other. Microallocations would come out of it; the microallocations > would not be advertised between the two carriers. Certainly, there > would be failure modes in which the microallocation might go down for > one provider, but I'd be in better shape. I'd ideally pick local > carriers with different kinds of physical connectivity. > > While I'm perfectly capable of running BGP with both carriers, I > recognize that skill would be rare in the basement market, and I > can't reasonably expect it. But I am getting truly sick of dial > backup on a per-host basis. > > *thank you -- this may have been more venting steam than anything else ** > > > > >Whilst there is no current mechanism to reliably achieve > >(a) (beyond Roeland kindly offering to pay for Sean's > >routers), direct market forces fail, so, like with so many > >other problems, the internet community has come up with > >hueristic mechanisms to enforce (b) i.e. 'your reachability > >information is only worth the cost of my carrying it > >if it contains announcements shorter than a /nn, and I > >will rely on RIR's to demonstrate that there is a fair > >correlation between assigment size (and thus prefix > >length) and usefulness of the prefix to me. > > > >If all this sounds a bit "matter of opinion", type stuff, > >which will never get resolved, well, yes it is, and thus > >just the right sort of stuff for a flamewar on NANOG. > > > >Great, just so long as elsewhere, people are thinking about > >(c). And then we can have the adoption flamewar (d) on NANOG > >afterwards. > > > >-- > >Alex Bligh > >Personal Capacity
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