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RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting

  • From: measl
  • Date: Tue Aug 14 07:45:03 2001

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Vivien M. wrote:

> Example: your local $ILEC has some Yellow Pages, where you are listed as an
> ISP. Some bad thiefs want to steal a T1 router or a Sparc 5, and figure an
> ISP would be a good place to get this equipment. They see your listing,
> break into your facility, and steal your hardware.
> Do you sue $ILEC for having set you up for being robbed?
> Now, MAPS publishes a listing of people who operate an open relay. You admit
> running an open relay. Someone else uses that listing to refuse mail from
> you.
> Why is MAPS in that second example more evil than $ILEC in the first one?

Intent Vivien, pure and simple.  In the former case of the LEC, there was
no _intent_ to inflict damage, as well as no reason to believe that the
listing would inflict damage.  In the latter case we have a listing whose
*stated purpose* is to inflict damage.

> Vivien
> --
> Vivien M.
> [email protected]
> Assistant System Administrator
> Dynamic DNS Network Services

J.A. Terranson
[email protected]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...