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RE: Affects of the balkanization of mail blacklisting

  • From: Tim Wilde
  • Date: Tue Aug 14 01:44:19 2001

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Mitch Halmu wrote:
> So Der Fuehrer constructed the German autobahn, Il Duce made the Italian
> trains roll on time, etc. Are they good people? While I don't even question
> Vixie's great contributions such as BIND, I am fighting his little MAPS
> charity based strictly on the belief that no private party has the right
> to appoint themselves as communications censors. That role, if it ever
> comes to it, can only be filled by laws and a government mandate.

But you have yet to ever tell anyone how, exactly, MAPS does any
censoring.  They provide(d?) a list of IP addresses.  That is _all_ they
have ever done.  I cannot go up to Vixie or MAPS and say "filter my mail
for me", nor have I ever (that I'm aware of) been able to do so.  MAPS
does NOT censor anything.  Period.  They provide a set of information,
which ISPs make a (presumably informed) decision to do filtering (or
censorship, if you want to call it that) based on.  That is a business
decision for those ISPs to make, a right which I'm pretty sure I recall
you defending at some point in one of the monthly MAPS/ORBS/whoever is
evil flamewars.

You dance around the real facts in this matter _every single time_ this is
brought up.  Please explain to me, exactly how MAPS censors anything.
I'll look forward to your reply.  And don't tell me MAPS filtering is
enabled by default in Sendmail, or point me to your propaganda page -
the first one isn't true, and I've read the second before - it doesn't
answer my question.

And if you can't come up with an explanation, can we please end this
monthly flamewar early and keep me from having to add some more rules to
my .procmailrc?


Tim Wilde
[email protected]
Systems Administrator
Dynamic DNS Network Services