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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote: > *plonk* > > There is absolutely no relation whatsover between MAPS and DDoS attacks, > at least in the reality of every NANOG subscriber who's not named Mitch > Halmu, and trying to turn completely unrelated NANOG threads into your > personal soapbox is, IMHO, in extremely poor taste and professional > judgement. Now I remember: you're the semihuman.com centaur, half man and half horse! How's the nose, still brown? ;) > Remember, there are people here who make hiring decisions. You > never know when you might find yourself interviewing with one of them. What makes you think that I may need a job? Judging from the stock market conditions, your friends at Metromedia may come knocking first. > When you stop trying to turn every thread into whining about MAPS and > your god-given right to run an open relay and every mail server > admin's divine duty accept email from said open relay, let me know. > >From a different email address, of course. > > -C The comment was on topic, inspired by remarks likening open SMTP relays to DDoS. --Mitch NetSide > > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:05:54PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Brad wrote: > > > > > However, the problem here is not-so easy to > > > take care of on the provider(s) end. I tend to see this > > > problem more-like open-relay issues. A open-relay SMTP > > > server is just-as much a pain in the rear as a compromised > > > windoze box (if not more) and we have several ways to combat > > > open-relay issues currently through various testing and > > > filtering systems. > > > > No kidding? Your somewhat twisted "re-education" approach finds > > it perfectly normal to liken an illegal hacker activity (DDoS) > > with a perfectly legitimate business operation of an ISP, for > > the "crime" of simply having an open relay SMTP server. > > > > Well, I happen to think that communications blackholing enterprises > > such as the one run by former Abovenet boss Dave Rand and Metromedia > > employee Paul Vixie are to be likened to denial of service attacks. > > > > There should be no question that the guilty party is the actual > > hacker or spammer. If the legal system doesn't provide ISPs adequate > > protection under current laws, then new ad-hoc laws should address > > the problem. > > > > --Mitch > > NetSide > > > > http://www.dotcomeon.com > > -- > --------------------------- > Christopher A. Woodfield [email protected] > > PGP Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB887618B >
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