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Please understand that the rules are different for cable providers. They are required to SWIP only to their head-ends, but it must be SWIP, not RWHOIS. This is typically a small number of SWIPs, as you SWIP out to geographically-central head-ends. /david > > Andy, > I just went through all this myself. I'm not a cable modem provider, so > the rules may be slightly different. > > In the beginning, I had SWIP'd records. However, as most net admins, I > had fallen way behind on this. Here's what I did to rectify my problem: > > a) Created a spreadsheet listing parent CIDR delgations from our > upstream. Broke those out into subnets that we delegate to customers, > ping scan them periodically, and get a max utilization. Sum your total > current space and max usage, get a percentage. So long as the company > holds 1 ip over a /19, they are eligible for a /18 AFAIK. > > b) Apply for an ASN at this point. Tell ARIN you are going to be > multihoming, and can provide signed contracts with ISP's proving this. > Without multihoming, you don't need an ASN -- your upstream should be > more than happy to announce your address space for you later on. > > c) Take all that spreadsheet data, and throw it into an rwhois server. > For a /20 worth of addresses, this took me the better part of 3-4 days > of data entry. I would expect it would take one person 12-16 days for a > /18 worth of addresses. Need it faster? Throw more people at data > entry. > > d) Get your rwhoisd server up and running. By this time, you should > have your ASN number (took us about 1 week). Fill out the IPv4 request > template. Send it in. After a day or two, they'll email you back > asking you a few things about your policies on how you decide how many > IP's a customer gets. I think that they just want to hear the policies > that they have on their website (i.e. target 80% utilization within 3 > months). 1 week later you should have an allocation. > > e) Start migrating stuff over. When you make delegations in your new > /18, put them in your rwhois server. You'll need it when you go back to > ask for more address space in a year, and why go through all this stress > more than once. > > If they give you grief about a /18, ask for a /19 and ask them to > "reserve" the other /19 space within a /18. Prove to them that you are > effectively utilizing the /19 and they'll probably give/sell you the > other half. > > Someone else here mentioned that the folks at ARIN are truly helpful -- > They are. I emailed them a few times asking for clarification on some > of the forms, and I had answers within the hour. > > My $0.02, and I just turned up my ASN and my netblock today! > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 05:50:55PM -0700, Andy Ellifson wrote: > > > > Bob said it better than myself. I just want help compling with ARIN's > > rules and justifications to get some address space for this customer. > > When the documentation comes back wanting signed contracts, receipts > > for the equipment, SWIP information......... and so on... It seems like > > a daunting task. > > > > I nor the customer have never been through this before. I just wanted > > to get input from someone that has gone through it before. I certainly > > wouldn't want ARIN handing out a /18 to a business that will never > > utilize it. I understand why the rules and justifications are in > > place. > > > > --- Bob K <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > So re-reading Andy's post, I think people have misread it - he > > > doesn't > > > appear to be asking for help in circumventing ARIN's procedures, he > > > wants > > > help in following it, if one notes the actual questions he asks: > > > > > > > > Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present for the customer > > > before > > > > > they will issue address space? > > > > > > > > Does anyone know of a person they can talk to at ARIN to help > > > with > > > > > this process? > > > > > > But that's just my take on it. > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Daniel Golding wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect this is a troll. However, I'll take the bait... > > > > > > > > Why should this organization get any sort of special treatment? > > > Because they > > > > have been too slack to properly SWIP their blocks? Because they > > > don't feel > > > > like submitting the proper documentation? > > > > > > > > You posit that the customer genuinely needs the address space. How > > > do we, as > > > > an Internet community discover that? The only way is documentation. > > > > > > > > I find it rather hard to believe that an organization without an > > > AS, > > > > qualifies for a /18, based on the published criteria - they did > > > take the > > > > time to read those, right? > > > > > > > > Andy, you request help to circumvent a process that is far from > > > perfect, yet > > > > is our best hedge against the unscrupulous. I suppose the best > > > advise for > > > > them is to hire a consultant who is fully conversant in the > > > procedures for > > > > obtaining address spaces and an AS number. That's their best bet. > > > > > > > > - Daniel Golding > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Andy Ellifson > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:50 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Getting an AS and /18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a customer that is a cable modem provider. They submitted > > > the > > > > > form to request an AS and some address space. The response from > > > ARIN > > > > > wanted a ton of documentation. I understand why ARIN requires > > > all of > > > > > the documentation. Does ARIN require a ton of SWIPS be present > > > for the > > > > > customer before they will issue address space? This customer > > > genuinely > > > > > needs the address space but doesn't have the time to gather up > > > all the > > > > > information that is 'required'. Does anyone know of a person > > > they can > > > > > talk to at ARIN to help with this process? > > > > > > > > > > -Andy Ellifson > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bob <[email protected]> | Stop dwelling and start living. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Andy Ellifson > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > Marius Strom <[email protected]> > Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator > URL: http://www.marius.org/ > http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0xF5D89089 *updated 2001-02-26* > > It is a natural law. Physics tells us that for every action, there must be an > equal and opposite reaction. 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