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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical RE: Carnivore Update - Washington Post 11/21/00
The only answer is the same one for CALEA, absolute mil-grade encryption on every single packet! Given that, it won't matter if they capture packets, they wont be readable. However, as MHSC has found out the hard way, folks don't want to pay for it. Even when it is freeware, they wont go through the extra trouble to install it. The proof is the market penetration of PGP. Only the geeks tend to use it and SSH is only used by SA geeks. The general market DOESN'T CARE! At one time, MHSC offered VPN software and an SSL-based web mail product, for a very nominal $10/month. We had lottsa queries, but few buyers. Folks would rather use a free, unsecured, hotmail/juno/etc than a non-free SSL-based one. BTW, you can't have banner ads on an SSL page. I figure that this market has at least three years to go before it is real. > -----Original Message----- > From: Frater M.A.Ch.H. 999 [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Carnivore Update - Washington Post 11/21/00 > > > > nanog: > > Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. > > I still have to say that the Carnivore program is potentially the most > disgusting domestic surveillance program ever proposed. > > To Hell with the 4th Ammendment, eh, FBI? > > I don't know what the FBI's oaths of service are, but my > oaths upon entering > the US Armed Forces were to protect the Constitution of the > United States > from all enemies, foreign and domestic. > > Furthermore, our motto in Special Forces is 'De Oppresso > Liber' --- Liberate > from Oppression. > > Perhaps they just want to ruffle some feathers and get some domestic > resistance popping up by all of this... or on the flip-side see if the > citizens actually would resist an attempt to eradicate the > 4th Ammendment. > > I've noticed that national ammunition sales are soaring over > the past few > weeks. > > Amen! And so they should be. > > Carnivore needs to find a resting point before someone takes too much > offense to it. > > And personally, I always like to use the good ole 'Meta-x spook' lisp > built-in command in emacs as often as possible for just this sort of > occasion. > > e.g.: > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > NSA kibo Waco, Texas counter-intelligence smuggle DES Mossad terrorist > class struggle security CIA explosion Noriega Marxist Kennedy > > DES genetic strategic NSA smuggle FBI World Trade Center FSF Panama > SDI Honduras Ft. Meade Treasury counter-intelligence class struggle > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > For everyone who didn't know that command existed in the distribution, > enjoy! ;) > > Love is the law, love under will. > > Frater M.A.Ch.H. 999 > > ~~~^^O^^~~~ > > MTH/HE/SX/TA/EN S++(*) W N+++(++) PEG++(XX) Dr+ A>++ a++ C G+ QH+++ > 666++ Y++(+++) Z+ > > > >
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