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In my opinion, the IPv4 TOS field should be end-to-end.... ...clients should set it....routers should leave it alone.... Jim Fleming http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: Roeland Meyer <[email protected]> To: 'Shawn McMahon' <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: RE: ISPs as content-police or method-police > > Please reference any suit regarding breach of contract. Examples abound. > Port filtering may be construed as a material breach when the expectation > is, that there is to be no port filtering. Access is access, even when the > customer doesn't know that they are being restricted in their access. That > just assures you that they will go ballistic when they find out. > > Face it guys, you KNOW that this is basically dishonest. As such, it is > indefensible. I would almost bet <amount> that none of the transit providers > mentions restrictions, on access, in their contracts. I would almost bet > <1/2 amount> that NONE of the access providers mention same in THEIR > contracts. The general expectation is for clear and open pipes. Put such > restiction into your contracts and you will lose customers. Don't put them > in and start filtering anyway and you will lose court cases...big ones. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shawn McMahon [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:21 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: ISPs as content-police or method-police > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 12:03:57PM -0500, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > > > > > What doesn't make sense in that argument is why you > > couldn't just simply > > > upsell the customer to a managed fw solution etc if that's > > the concern. > > > Educate them, and let them decide based on the education > > they received. > > > > Because it doesn't just affect them; it affects you, your customers, > > and your business. > > > > > I wouldn't be so sure, particularly because of the legal exposure... > > > > Does anybody have a live example of this supposed legal exposure, to > > counter all the many examples those of us who don't believe in it have > > given? > > > > > >
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