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Re: New Peering Point Mailing Lists

  • From: Jeffrey Meltzer
  • Date: Mon Oct 09 06:05:18 2000

<points taken>

In discussions with some people, we've/i've decided to bring everything
into one list, for public discussion about the peering points.  There
isn't a list setup now to have such discussions, except possibly

The new idea is to setup as more of a web resource with an
accompanying mailing list, rather than multiple mailing lists with a
website.  IE,  [email protected] will be for discussions about the NAP's,
and on the website we plan on putting up FAQs for as many NAP's as we can
get information on, and put them in a centralized location.  The items
we're looking to put into FAQ's for NAP's are:

contact info
connection types
who's there, and contact info for who's there
what telco's have buildings lit
who control's the risers

The ideal person that the FAQ would be targetted for would be:
Someone who can either go into AADS or Mae West.  Things that would make
his decision would be who's currently peering at each point, how much
would it cost to get there (what telco has his building lit, as well as
either AADS or Mae West), etc.

We will link to the NAP's website when they have relevant info, and keep
it locally on the FAQ where they do not.

If you have information on any NAP's, in the US or abroad, let me
know.  We've already had some volunteers.  The more help/knowledge the


On 9 Oct 2000, Sean Donelan wrote:

> Date: 9 Oct 2000 00:31:27 -0700
> From: Sean Donelan <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: New Peering Point Mailing Lists
> On Sun, 08 October 2000, Simon Lockhart wrote:
> > Where I see benefit in having independant lists about NAPs (in general, I 
> > think it's a bit premature to have separate lists for each NAP) if for 
> > gaining preliminary information about the NAP, for those people 
> > considering joining.
> Historically, NAP disccussion took place on a relatively few mailing
> lists.
> In The Beginning.... all the public discussions took place on [email protected]
> com-priv has been pretty much defunct for a few years.
> Later the discussions migrated to various regional mailing lists such as
> nanog and ripe. Later they seperated into different groups, for "big" isps
> and for "tiny" isps.  Small ISPs generally ask the questions on the mailing
> lists they already use, such as inet-access.  Big ISPs have private mailing
> lists, but they don't say much.
> The problem, such as what happened when someone set up a whole bunch of
> new york colo lists, is the subject areas really aren't that different.  So
> people start cross-posting to all the lists, which means subscribers such
> as myself who subscribed to all of them, receive the same message over
> and over and over again.  Just like when the first message in this thread
> was cross-posted to multiple lists.
> If you feel there is a need for a public nap mailing list, please create
> one.  Please don't create lots of new tiny lists.