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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: When IPv6 ... if ever?
[email protected] wrote: > > If I charge a customer more for IPv6 connectivity than for IPv4 > connectivity, to offset the costs of dealing with ships-in-the-night > routing (deploying it, training everyone to understand it), do you > think my entire customer base is going to transition over to IPv6? > > Ask yourself, as an ISP, how much more you are willing to pay your > transit providers for IPv4 + IPv6 transit, and how you are going > to get the money for that and for the deployment/retraining costs. > > Then ask yourself, as an ISP, what benefit you get from IPv6. > > My answers: not a chance, none, and zero, respectively. > > Sean. Sean, You speak in such extremes of your vision of what we should do with our applications and usage of IP. Might you expand your vision to include others? How are you going to support a customer who legitimately needs a /8v4 worth of end-to-end connected devices and has the purchase orders to prove it? How would said customer, though, envision such an application if they couldn't get an allocation for it? They wouldn't and your business would never see it. The application would either die or find another provider or protocol. In my place, the application isn't dying. I've been fighting for SNMP proxies (to manage the existing plethora of devices), but these SNMP proxies don't exist and leave the wonderfully developed SQL databases so carefully designed over the years useless (and I hate proxies...I like end-to-end). Management doesn't like hearing you can't know the number of cans of Coca Cola in the machine outside store 359 at this "right now" second. Read about Televend. A $4.50 radio in vending machines. Ouch on the IP address usage for that application. How many vending machines do you cross day to day? We can NAT these to our hearts content, but eventually it must connect to the true supplier and that requires end-to-end. How can ipv4 support that load? I don't think it can. Think ahead. My xeroxed copy of "RFC 1" is a fascinating journey as it was written shortly before my wife and I were born. It discussed the finances and realities of building the network from Santa Barbara and UCLA to Salt Lake City @ 1200 bps across the Mojave Desert. It discussed the costs of 2400 bps and the stations required to make it a reality. Think about the future applications. My own three children do not know what a modem is. They expect and are delivered IP connectivity and if any of them reports network trouble, I know I have failed in my delivery of full connectivity for all applications. (Their access is filtered; but my son's very mention of DHCP sends my hackles rising.) Business is now, indeed. Applications are later. -Nathan Lane
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