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On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:02:57AM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: > > On August 21, 2000 at 19:23 [email protected] (John Payne) wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:55:18PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote: > > > Is there any reasonable way to tell these ORBS and MAPS losers > > > "possibly good intentions, but so badly run that: no thanks" from the > > > net administrator community. > > > > Don't lump ORBS and MAPS in the same boat... MAPS is run by well balanced, > > sane individuals and doesn't commit net-abuse. ORBS on the other hand... > > No measurables, no reason to believe any of it is worth the trouble it > causes (i.e., blocks any significant amount of spam), no due process, > no review of principles possible, you can't even take your business > elsewhere to get them out of your life, no one even gets to vote with > their wallet. What trouble does MAPS cause? RSS and DUL are blocking quite a bit of spam for *me*. Dunno how much the RBL is blocking... 'cos I'm behind a BGP feed. No measurables tho... sure - you get what you pay for. But, what trouble does it cause? > This is just vigilantism with all the potential for abuse with the > usual pattern it takes on in non-cyber contexts wherein they mostly > hassle honest citizens because the crooks are far too slick for such > amateurish approaches so if you leave your car doors unlocked they > slash the tires to teach you a lesson. > > P.S. We were accidentally blocked by MAPS once, PITA. I'm not > impressed and it's not possible for an ISP to use MAPS. And? Was it a justified listing? Or a spite listing? Details! -- John Payne http://www.sackheads.org/jpayne/ [email protected] http://www.sackheads.org/uce/ Fax: +44 870 0547954 340% tax? http://www.boycott-the-pumps.com/
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