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I understand your viewpoint but do you have any ideas on how to fix it? This differs from sexual discrimination where the company can control employee behavior. Sheryl Chapin wrote: > Ummm, I think you guys are missing the point. The point is that guys live, > breath and eat this stuff, but to most women, it's just a job. I am the > only female technical person in my (admittedly small) company. One of the > guys once described me as "being very good at my job, but it's just a job". > I have no problem with that discription, when I go to lunch, I'm not > interested in talking "tapes, hard drives and wiring", I do that at work. > > And yes, I have very little in common with these guys. Most of them go > home where there are more computers than people, all networked together and > play for hours (by play, I don't mean games, I mean they write programs and > expirement with new technology). They *love* this stuff. I go home and > don't even look at my computer unless I'm beeped. > > In a previous job, (again, the only woman) I was invited to stay and play > networked doom with the guys one Friday night. I played for an hour, ok, > it was fun, I'm done now. They played until 3am. > > Personally, I always thought it was just me, but maybe it is a gender > thing. Is that bad? I really don't know. > > Sheryl Chapin > CommTel Internet > > At 08:24 AM 8/7/00 -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > > > ><rant> > > > > So, anybody want to take bets ? > > > > I bet the young lady, in the interview, > >within her first 2 years, makes a BEE-LINE > >for management, and starts -insisting- > >everyone wears a tie, so they look professional. > > > > Remember, IBM salesman -rammed- "dark tie, > >and white shirt" down the industries throat.. > >You weren't -professional- unless you dressed, > >in this fashion. > > > >Corporate America's management bought into this > >load of malarkey, wholeheartedly. (I suspect their > >ties were too tight..) So, soon > > corporate America was looking down their nose at > >anyone who couldn't play the management conformity game... > > > > After all, your not a -professional- with out a dark tie, > >and light suit. > > > > Meantime, back at IBM HQ, at the Watson Research center, > >the top IBM techs , such as Benoit, were running around in > >cut offs, and pony tails. > > > > Seems, to IBM, this rule was only true for -salesmen-, and trivial > >technicals, and IBM had a pioneer in their company who went > >-way- out of his way to make sure R&D TECHNICALS were > >-not- required to conform. According to his research, > >good technicals rarely enjoy conforming. > > > >It is management, and sales, that admire conformity. > > > > Nonetheless, a reality as sold by -salesman=, bought into > >by -management-, and propogated by -recruiters-, became the norm > >for technicals... it took us 20 years to throw that > >perspective out the window... and some big companies > >-still- by into that load of "stuff". > > > > Meanwhile , IBM kept running that research center, -without- > >such codes.... pointedly. > > > > Yes, I feel almost -positive- this young lady > >will seek management. I really do. > > > > Shortly thereafter, she will attempt to correct these > >errors in the industry, and set us all straight. She will > >recruit people who cannot stand discussing "tape drives, > >hardware, and wires", and management will back her wholeheartedly. > > > > I just know it. > > > > :\ > > > ></rant> > > > >[email protected] wrote: > >> > >> News flash, lady - IT -is- "tape drives and hardware and wires and > >> machines". So, if you have nothing in common with people who are > interested > >> in such things, go do something else. > >> > > > >
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