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Ummm, I think you guys are missing the point. The point is that guys live, breath and eat this stuff, but to most women, it's just a job. I am the only female technical person in my (admittedly small) company. One of the guys once described me as "being very good at my job, but it's just a job". I have no problem with that discription, when I go to lunch, I'm not interested in talking "tapes, hard drives and wiring", I do that at work. And yes, I have very little in common with these guys. Most of them go home where there are more computers than people, all networked together and play for hours (by play, I don't mean games, I mean they write programs and expirement with new technology). They *love* this stuff. I go home and don't even look at my computer unless I'm beeped. In a previous job, (again, the only woman) I was invited to stay and play networked doom with the guys one Friday night. I played for an hour, ok, it was fun, I'm done now. They played until 3am. Personally, I always thought it was just me, but maybe it is a gender thing. Is that bad? I really don't know. Sheryl Chapin CommTel Internet At 08:24 AM 8/7/00 -0500, Richard Irving wrote: > ><rant> > > So, anybody want to take bets ? > > I bet the young lady, in the interview, >within her first 2 years, makes a BEE-LINE >for management, and starts -insisting- >everyone wears a tie, so they look professional. > > Remember, IBM salesman -rammed- "dark tie, >and white shirt" down the industries throat.. >You weren't -professional- unless you dressed, >in this fashion. > >Corporate America's management bought into this >load of malarkey, wholeheartedly. (I suspect their >ties were too tight..) So, soon > corporate America was looking down their nose at >anyone who couldn't play the management conformity game... > > After all, your not a -professional- with out a dark tie, >and light suit. > > Meantime, back at IBM HQ, at the Watson Research center, >the top IBM techs , such as Benoit, were running around in >cut offs, and pony tails. > > Seems, to IBM, this rule was only true for -salesmen-, and trivial >technicals, and IBM had a pioneer in their company who went >-way- out of his way to make sure R&D TECHNICALS were >-not- required to conform. According to his research, >good technicals rarely enjoy conforming. > >It is management, and sales, that admire conformity. > > Nonetheless, a reality as sold by -salesman=, bought into >by -management-, and propogated by -recruiters-, became the norm >for technicals... it took us 20 years to throw that >perspective out the window... and some big companies >-still- by into that load of "stuff". > > Meanwhile , IBM kept running that research center, -without- >such codes.... pointedly. > > Yes, I feel almost -positive- this young lady >will seek management. I really do. > > Shortly thereafter, she will attempt to correct these >errors in the industry, and set us all straight. She will >recruit people who cannot stand discussing "tape drives, >hardware, and wires", and management will back her wholeheartedly. > > I just know it. > > :\ > ></rant> > >[email protected] wrote: >> >> News flash, lady - IT -is- "tape drives and hardware and wires and >> machines". So, if you have nothing in common with people who are interested >> in such things, go do something else. >> > >
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