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Steve, IMHO, I have had problems with the "hair trigger" ORBS. Which you say is Allen..... Personally, I have not seen such behavior out of MAPS. My .04, (Sorry, getting too popular, had to raise the price) :) Steve Sobol wrote: > > [sigh... I thought this wasn't going to turn into a big debate] > > "Greg A. Woods" wrote: > > > It is critically important to also realise that "ORBS" itself doesn't > > "go crazy" and do these things -- such "rogue net-block" listings are > > directly a result of pressure from ORBS users. > > The issue isn't with ORBS, it's with Alan Brown, the administrator. > > Alan runs what could be a useful service, but if you don't allow him > to test your systems, he adds you to a "static" list... in his defense, > this is NOT a list of systems that have tested as open relays, but many > people block sites on that list too, even if there is no documented > spam coming from those IP's. > > It's ridiculous. He also doesn't stop when told not to probe people's > networks. RoadRunner and AboveNet both blocked him because he refused > to honor the requests to stop, and of course they both were subsequently > placed on the list of untestable systems. > > I will offer this one data point: I welcome ORBS relay tests. I have > given Alan specific, permanent permission to run the tests against my > servers. Not too long ago, I had a server that I configured with > Linuxconf, not realizing that Linuxconf uses an old sendmail ruleset > that leaves your server open to third-party relaying. I am eternally > grateful that ORBS found the server - it had been running that way > for at least a year, and I thought it was closed. (We're extremely > lucky no one spammed through it.) > > But I will not use ORBS as a spamblocking tool. > > > Accusing ORBS of political powerplay and vigilantism is wrong since it > > is not ORBS, nor even its users, but rather the "rogue" net-block > > administrators who are playing political power games. > > Alan's a good guy, but the "rogue" net-block administrators aren't > the issue. Alan is. > > > e-mail). To this end an impartial and independent testing service such > > as ORBS > > ORBS isn't always "impartial." > > > Finally it cannot be pointed out enough times that the administrators of > > the so-called "rogue" blocks need only change their attitudes and > > Yeah, ok. RoadRunner isn't rogue. Neither is AboveNet. > > > Being irrational about public testing of public services > > I'm sorry. If you're doing something to my network, and I ask you > not to do it, you stop. If you do not stop, I block you (and > possibly complain to your service provider.) You do not have > the ultimate right to determine what I do with my network. I own > the network, and as the network owner, I am the one with that > right. > > Maybe people aren't justified in asking Alan to stop. That doesn't > justify Alan ignoring them. > > -- > North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH > http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net > Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor > Pictures of two of my 'children': http://www.WrinkleDogs.com > About Spamfighters: "We're not net nazis. We're dot communists." - W. > Arnold
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