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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: RBL-type BGP service for known rogue networks?
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 03:47:38PM -0500, John Kristoff wrote: > > > Nonsense. It's a boycott, not a denial of service. > > And it's just a boycott, it's not even picketting out front with signs. > > Perhaps I wasn't clear... > > The organization in question does nothing wrong... but somehow gets in > the blackhole list either by someone spoofing their netblocks, from > faked complaints or other means. Thus, causing the said organization to > be denied connectivity by some malicious person(s). No, it's still not a denial of service; it's a mass boycott for the wrong reason. If the Pope received faulty information that Disney was sacrificing babies inside Snow White's castle, and called for all Catholics to boycott but didn't say they had so, just that they should, could Disney sue the pope for preventing them from doing business? No, because those Catholics could choose to ignore the Pope. They follow him by choice. It's the same with the blackhole lists; people join on purpose, they're not forced to. They can choose to not use the blackhole list any time they want to. So far, every time somebody's threatened to sue the blackhole lists, they've backed off once they've talked to the lawyers and had them research it. There's a reason for that. If I as an individual choose to not use your services because somebody else recommended it, I'm not preventing your network from functioning; I'm just not allowing you to use *MY* network, and since you haven't paid for the privilege, you have nothing legitimate to bitch about. Attachment:
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