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Re: Napster & other bandwidth hogs

  • From: Deepak Jain
  • Date: Mon Jan 24 17:11:40 2000

I guess there is a misunderstanding between what an educational
institution views IT costs as. IT costs (more bandwidth, etc) are 100%
overhead. Most have no way of recovering these costs as an increase in
revenue. Most corporations, etc could pass this fee on to supported
organizations, but from what I understand of Universities, its 100%
unrecovered overhead.

Hence, no business model. Any bits over 0 are therefore expensive.


Deepak Jain

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Jeremy Porter wrote:

> O is for Operator
> Hm... I thought this was NANOG.
> Presumably even universities have the capability to allocate costs
> to internal customers.
> more bits = good 
> less bits = bad
> Pretty simple.
> The question that would be correct for this forum, is what
> techniques do network operators use to measure and scale service for
> high bandwidth applications.
> In message <[email protected]>, Jeff Mcadams writes:
> >
> >Thus spake Randy Bush
> >>> Since these apps are becoming more and more prevalent, as college students
> >>> are huge collectors of digital music, and as bandwidth is always a
> >>> concern, I am wondering what others in either the educational or business
> >>> community are doing in light of this.
> >
> >>pretending we're in business, charging for bandwidth, and crying all
> >>the way to the bank.
> >
> >>when the customer wants more of your product, and if you find this
> >>negative, then your business model needs re-evaluation.
> >
> >Considering that his email address ended in ".edu" and was asking his
> >question as a representative of such an institution (which you
> >considerably cut out of your response ;), I would say that your
> >statement about his business model needing re-evaluation is a bit
> >uncalled for.
> >
> >I will agree that you, as a business-person, would find the extra use of
> >bandwidth of something like napster nice because you then go on and
> >charge for the bandwidth...being in the business environment myself, I
> >wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment...but I also understand that
> >the original poster is not working from the same paradigm.  :)
> >-- 
> >Jeff McAdams                            Email: [email protected]
> >Head Network Administrator              Voice: (502) 966-3848
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> >
> --- je[email protected]
> Failure is a natural consequence of any nonscalable activity. -- PV