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Re: spam colusion

  • From: Dean Anderson
  • Date: Tue Jan 11 17:01:04 2000

After all the bashing, I get to gloat a little.

I see the guy in Russia took his model from ORBS, and did exactly the same
thing:  He apparently used a security exploit to get data, and published
that data. So far, it doesn't sound like he made any credit card charges.
Sounds like he didn't actually damage the compromised system.  According to
Derek Balling and a few others, he should be free and clear.

According to those few people, the cracker hasn't done anything wrong.
According to those same people, CD Universe accepted the consequences of
having an insecure server. Anybody could accessed the data. So it must be
publicly available information then. He just published some publicly
available data.  US law doesn't apply to Russians.  The fault here is with
CD Universe for operating an insecure server. There is no fault with the
guy who published the credit cards.  He is not responsible if other people
misuse that data.

Wrong.  If it wasn't already clear to reasonable people, it certainly is
now.  Those people who made those stupid assertions are clearly full of crap.

Now what happens to the Russian ISP that refuses to shut down the site?  
Yep. You guessed it.


Around 05:37 PM 1/10/2000 -0800, rumor has it that Randy Bush said:
>>> And if anything disparaging about the chinese government were to appear on
>>> his web site, he could be extradited and put to death!
>> Who gets his organs.....
>warning, there may not be a full set
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