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Usweful mail can come anywhere; moreover, if I have business conversations with someone from, on example, east.ru, I'd like to be sure I receive all mail from them, no important if some crazy system declare them as the _open relay_. I am amazing more and more... As we are saying, Don't to drop out the child with the water. Spam is not good issue; and everyone is welcome to fight with it; but this fight create more spam and disturm just more people then if someone simple type _D_ or install smart filter to decrease the priority of the junk mail (so that you see it with the notifications _below is possibly a junk mail, drop it out at once?_). This (nanog) mail list is an excellent example. I receive about 10 - 20 junk mails/day, and waste about 10 seconds to remove this mail; but I read about 10 - 20 spam-concerning messages in this _no spam concerning_ mail list every day, and it takes about 5 - 10 minutes... There is a difference. Just ODBS - I already waste d about 20 minutes to found all their detecting systems and filter them out - because I don't want to allow them to scan our (sorry, I am not their employee anymore, but I was last monts), RELCOM.net, mail relays... I prefere to have a littl;e more spam, but don't have this discussions and crazy systems at all. RBL system was sufficient enougph for 99% cases. On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Derek J. Balling wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:39:19 -0800 > From: Derek J. Balling <[email protected]> > To: Alex P. Rudnev <[email protected]>, Roeland M.J. Meyer <[email protected]> > Cc: 'William Allen Simpson' <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: RE: ARIN whois > > > At 08:38 PM 11/23/99 +0300, Alex P. Rudnev wrote: > >If you protect yourself from open relays too hard, you really protect yourself > >from the usefull mail. It's reality. > > Useful mail doesn't come from open relays. > > At least not in the manner in which I (and others) define useful. > > >The best way to stop the SPAM is to turn your computer off. There is many > >reasons why someone hold open relay; while this relay don't send you spam, > >it's > >not your business... many providers simpli filter open relay detectors out > >(such > >as ODBS), moreover, an attempt to use this _crazy_ (active) lists results > >in the > >loss e-mail and can't be used by the serious companies. > > You think too far into the box. The best way to stop spam is to turn off > the spammers' computers. > > D > > > > Aleksei Roudnev, (+1 415) 585-3489 /San Francisco CA/
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