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We haven't had any criminal acts until a couple weeks ago. --Dean Around 03:57 PM 11/22/1999 -0800, rumor has it that Derek J. Balling said: > >Dean, > >Until you actually WIN a criminal case, please go away. > >It can interest lawyers all you want, but for the threatening and posturing >we've seen from you, I've yet to actually hear from anyone that you've sued >them, let alone that you won some money. > >D > > >At 05:26 PM 11/22/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote: > >>We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most >>the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of >>people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over >>a short period can then be criminal. This amount interests both lawyers >>and collections companies. >> >> --Dean >> >>Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe Shaw said: >> > >> >What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open >> >to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think >> >you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via >> >means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the >> >FBI. >> > >> >The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely >> >overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my >> >previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack >> >of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages >> >or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and >> >doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you >> >probably won't get far. >> > >> >Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays. >> > >> >-- >> >Joseph W. Shaw - [email protected] >> >Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am." >> > >> >On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. >> >> >> >> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not >> "accidentally left open". >> >> >> >> --Dean >> > >> > >> > >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Plain Aviation, Inc [email protected] >> LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc [email protected] LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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