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I'm really curious now: What, pray tell, are the "legitimate business purposes" that *necessitate* the use of open relays? I'm an ISP admin myself, and while it is certainly possible that I am missing something, the longer this thread goes on, the more I doubt it. Why don't you enlighten us and end this forever? Also: "The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources." Not criminally, maybe, to the extent that what they are doing is still criminal, but it makes a hell of a *practical* difference, as somebody else already pointed out. - Steve ___________________________________________ #include <dispensa.mwis.net/std_disclaimer.h> ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Golding <[email protected]> To: Dean Anderson <[email protected]> Cc: Kai Schlichting <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: ARIN whois > > > Dean, > > Have you considered that, while your stand may be legally correct, it is > ethically questionable? By leaving your relays open, you invite abuse and > facilitate the theft of other networks' resources. I can not imagine what > legitimate purpose you might have for such a practice. Perhaps the most > disturbing aspect of this is your steady beat on the drum of law and > order, combined with your strange zeal to block out IP addresses from a > large block of law abiding folks. > > I can only wish you luck in your endevour to have Federal law enforcement > officials deliver warrant on international spammers. Clearly, those folks > don't have enough to do, and need the extra work. > > - Daniel Golding > > On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > > These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. > > > > We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally. The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources. > > > > Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently. > > > > --Dean > > > > Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said: > > > > > >At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > > >>Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN's whois only gives back a handful. > > >> > > >>I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find out what they are. > > >> > > >>Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal complaints underway. > > > > > >Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any of them talk to > > >my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your bonehead again: THEY > > >WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE THEM, NO MATTER > > >HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA, AND THERE IS > > >NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING > > >THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your senses and > > >shut the literal front door of your house now that you've finally noticed > > >the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years after the rest > > >of us, no doubt. > > > > > >And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either. > > >Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott Yelich's tagline). > > > > > >bye,Kai > > > > > >-- > > >[email protected] "Just say No" to Spam Kai Schlichting > > >Palo Alto, New York, You name it Sophisticated Technical Peon > > >Kai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE! http://SpamShield.Conti.nu > > >| | > > >LeasedLines-FrameRelay-IPLs-ISDN-PPP-Cisco-Consulting-VoiceFax-Data-Muxes > > >WorldWideWebAnything-Intranets-NetAdmin-UnixAdmin-Security-ReallyHardMath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Plain Aviation, Inc [email protected] > > LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >
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