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Re: ARIN whois

  • From: Derek J. Balling
  • Date: Mon Nov 22 17:13:25 1999

No offense to all, but you are ALL wasting your time trying to convince Dean through logic on this topic. We've all been round and round the same discussions on the anti-spam mailing lists, and Dean continues to insist that he MUST run open relays.

Dean appears to be completely impervious to logic, so don't waste your time sending it his way. :)


At 04:07 PM 11/22/99 -0600, Joe Shaw wrote:

What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the

The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my
previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
probably won't get far.

Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.

Joseph W. Shaw - [email protected]
Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:

> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open".
> --Dean