North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Training the next generation:
Joe, I firmly believe that an undergraduate degree is essential. If you have to go part-time, then do that. Don't wimp out and take a BA. Get the BS, take the science and math courses. You might wonder what mechanics and chemistry have to do with networks or software development. Two words: Scientific Method . We need to train you, the student, to THINK. Not just that you need to think, we need to train you HOW to think. Math is more directly applicable. ----- Original Message ----- From: joe <[email protected]> To: Dana Hudes <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Training the next generation: > > I am also interested in this, for I am fairly young and VERY interested in > building/maintaining/upgrading networks, etc. I would like to know the > very things that some of you guys complain about all the time when you try > to work with companies. Do any of you know of schools out there (besides > cisco ;P) that can offer the valued training to get people like myself > into this ever-changing field. I have taken the route of working my way > through ISP's, what other ways have some of you done? Do you think > working in a good environment and being trained onsite, being trained > onsite and going to school or just going to school would come out to be > the best idea for getting into this field. Please reply publically or > privately :> > > I apologize if this seems NON-OPERATIONAL to you, but it is to me, because > once you guys are off and gone, who will be left? > > Thanks for your time, > > joe > > ======================================================================= > joe kamm [email protected] > network operations > worldnet communications http://www.wnonline.net > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Dana Hudes wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:12:41 -0400 > > From: Dana Hudes <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: Dana Hudes <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Training the next generation: > > > > Hi ! > > I'm teaching networking this year at CUNY Hunter College here in Manhattan. I would like your input as industry members what skills would have value to you in a new graduate computer science major (the students are seniors). > > Fall course is "Telecomputing"; the syllabus I created for the course uses Tannenbaum's _Computer Networks_ and tries to cover a range of things. Course project will likely be design and implement a bridge, possibly including source-route and certainly including spanning tree. Early on, coverage of WAN include project with PCM and such. > > A syllabus is posted at http://harmony.hudes.org/Telecomputing.html > > Students will have a broad base in a variety of networking topics. Focus on Ethernet in the LAN and PPP and ATM in the WAN. > > > > > > Spring is a "special topics" course. I've some flexibility here. I'm weighing two alternatives, and want some feedback. > > Of all possible things, the acting chair and I narrowed to two possible courses: > > 1. A course in TCP/IP. Use Comer, _Internetworking with TCP/IP_ and his syllabus from Purdue as a starting point. > > No time in this course for any physical layer or data link stuff beyond a cursory overview of Ethernet as we move at high speed to the network layer and IP forwarding. Comer's graduate course has students build a router but this is probably too much for undergraduates. Instead an OSPF implementation, including all the options (especially NSSA) . A cursory introduction to sockets programming with the course focus on routing algorithms (i.e. RIP, OSPF, and BGP4). > > Can this one course (my fall course hasn't sufficient registration to make the 2 semester sequence in networking we'd hoped; maybe next year). > > > > 2. Network application programming. Java clients, Perl and Apache server side (or perhaps Java servlets). Hunter students know C++ fairly well by their senior year; Java is an easy transition. The entire class would divide into teams with assignments that comprise various parts of the client and server portions. The project would be a turn-based simulation game (I used to play these and have a number of appropriate games with play-by-mail options, game rule design and/or game theory is not part of the course). While this won't teach them to be router engineers -- or developers, it should have some industry relevance. > > > > > > Most Hunter graduates stay in the Greater NYC metropolitan area. Given this, which of these options is better for the industry? who is in shorter supply? > > > > Prompt feedback greatly appreciated. Registrar is asking for the course description ASAP or sooner. > > > > Thanks! > > Dana Hudes > > CUNY Hunter Computer Science > > former ISP > > > >
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