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Jeff, thanks for the input. Comer has a volume 3 that uses Winsock instead of BSD sockets. Stevens UNIX network programming 3rd edition added XTI, I don't know why. Market -- always a problem to have a pool of eligible students but its a hot topic. A co-requisite of our Operating Systems course, which is required, isn't too limiting -- gives a pool of about 60 students (the 30 taking the fall, the 30 taking the spring; not too many who took it last spring will be around next spring). I can't take more than 30, would rather have 20. Hunter is big on C++ but I found out that they don't teach methodology despite calling the courses software engineering. Its really the same course as it was when they used Pascal, only now they use C++. If I get up in front of class and start drawing use-case diagrams, nobody will know what I'm talking about. so much for a class-wide project in the large. I'm going for the Comer vol. 1 course, plus sockets. Thanks again, Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Parker <[email protected]> To: Dana Hudes <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Training the next generation: > Dana - > I teach a course here at the Harvard Extension school > similar in aims to your 2nd course here. I've been using > Steven's Unix Network Programming plus lecture notes that cover > some of the Internet Protocols (ARP, BootP, ... RPC, NFS, AFS, ...) > > I don't cover much about TCP - other than a lecture that > includes MTU discovery and Slow Start. Some of this is that our > first semester course covers sliding window, etc. However, ours > is a very market-driven course (that is, I don't have a natural market, > so I can't scare folks off with prereqs) I cannot assume too much. > > Lately, I've been finding that our students don't know > enough about Unix and Unix System Programming to deal with Stevens: > I've switch the language from C to Java, and I'm using a Java > text to teach sockets programming, as well as using Stevens > TCP/IP Illustrated to teach the protocols. > > The project has always been a client/server system: we > start with a simple name server with 3 operations: Insert, > Delete, and GetNext, and deal with issues such as packet loss > (I give them a "flakey sendto" that drops 2 packets out of 5, > and introduces duplicate packets) and transactions (to deal > with a "rename" (delete and insert) encountering a getNet walk. > > Depending upon the background, the setup (how does their > bridge send/rcv packets, what they have to observe traffic - sniffer?) > I would think that your bridge assignment would be challenging. > > I'd be interested to chat about your course: here is a link > to last semester's website. > > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~adm119/cs258/ > > - jeff parker > > > 2. Network application programming. Java clients, Perl and > > Apache server side (or perhaps Java servlets). Hunter > > students know C++ fairly well by their senior year; Java is > > an easy transition. The entire class would divide into teams > > with assignments that comprise various parts of the client > > and server portions. The project would be a turn-based > > simulation game (I used to play these and have a number of > > appropriate games with play-by-mail options, game rule design > > and/or game theory is not part of the course). While this > > won't teach them to be router engineers -- or developers, it > > should have some industry relevance. > > > > > > Most Hunter graduates stay in the Greater NYC metropolitan > > area. Given this, which of these options is better for the > > industry? who is in shorter supply? > > > > Prompt feedback greatly appreciated. Registrar is asking for > > the course description ASAP or sooner. > > > > Thanks! > > Dana Hudes > > CUNY Hunter Computer Science > > former ISP > > >
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