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What's wrong about a good thread lasting long ? Darin Divinia wrote: > How long is this thread going to last? > > D. > > At 12:53 PM 8/23/99 -0400, Daniel Golding wrote: > > > >>What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe? > >>What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will > >work? > >>Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it? > > > >I'm not sure that's the right question. Here's the real question: What > >happens when a civil engineer certifies a bridge as safe, that isn't? He > >goes to jail and his license is revoked. He's barred from the field. > > > >What happens when a network engineer says a system will work that doesn't? > >There are no civil or criminal penalties. The PE process is a two-way > >street - you get the perks, but there are also consequences for misbehavior. > > > >Daniel L. Golding > >Sr. Internet Engineer > >Cypress Communications > >(and a degreed ME) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > >Stephen Sprunk > >Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 12:25 PM > >To: J.D. Falk > >Cc: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) > > > > > >I think that most of us act as ethically as management permits. There's a > >reason why vendors bring an "engineer" along on sales calls; customers have > >a very solid understanding that nobody else (sales, marketing, etc) can be > >trusted. That's not to say every "engineer" is without ulterior motives, > >but they're virtually guaranteed to be the most ethical people you'll meet > >at any company. > > > >What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe? > >What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will work? > >Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it? > > > >Stephen "Engineer" Sprunk > > > > > >Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE#3723 > >Network Consulting Engineer > >Cisco NSA Dallas, Texas, USA > >e-mail:[email protected] > >Pager: +1 800 365-4578 > >Empowering the Internet Generation > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: J.D. Falk > >To: Vadim Antonov > >Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > >Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:48 > >Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?) > > > > > > > >On 08/22/99, Vadim Antonov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> David Brouda <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Now, I have mentioned three key words: engineer, professional, and > >ethics. > >> > As a student of engineering, I believe that these three words go > >> > hand-in-hand. > >> > >> The facts that somebody is being professional, educated and ethical does > >not > >> guarantee that he has any idea of what he is doing. The catch is that a > >> clueless person is generally unware that he's clueless, so he can be quite > >> eithcal and professional in what he thinks he is doing. Watch the hordes > >> of ATM zealots - many of them with very impressive credentials. Does not > >> make their "contribution" any more worthwhile. > > > >Yeah, but at least they have a code of ethics. Where'd ours > >go? > > > > ---------========== J.D. Falk <[email protected]> =========--------- > > | OKINA MAKETSU IPPAI NO UISUKI, ONEGAI SHIMASU! | > > ----========== http://www.cybernothing.org/jdfalk/home.html ==========---- > > > >
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