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RE: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)

  • From: Darin Divinia
  • Date: Mon Aug 23 14:14:21 1999

How long is this thread going to last?  

D.




At 12:53 PM 8/23/99 -0400, Daniel Golding wrote:
>
>>What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe?
>>What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will
>work?
>>Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it?
>
>I'm not sure that's the right question. Here's the real question: What
>happens when a civil engineer certifies a bridge as safe, that isn't? He
>goes to jail and his license is revoked. He's barred from the field.
>
>What happens when a network engineer says a system will work that doesn't?
>There are no civil or criminal penalties. The PE process is a two-way
>street - you get the perks, but there are also consequences for misbehavior.
>
>Daniel L. Golding
>Sr. Internet Engineer
>Cypress Communications
>(and a degreed ME)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
>Stephen Sprunk
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 12:25 PM
>To: J.D. Falk
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)
>
>
>I think that most of us act as ethically as management permits.  There's a
>reason why vendors bring an "engineer" along on sales calls; customers have
>a very solid understanding that nobody else (sales, marketing, etc) can be
>trusted.  That's not to say every "engineer" is without ulterior motives,
>but they're virtually guaranteed to be the most ethical people you'll meet
>at any company.
>
>What happens when a civil engineer refuses to certify a bridge is safe?
>What happens when a network engineer refuses to certify a network will work?
>Why is there a difference, and what can we do about it?
>
>Stephen "Engineer" Sprunk
>
>
>Stephen Sprunk, K5SSS, CCIE#3723
>Network Consulting Engineer
>Cisco NSA   Dallas, Texas, USA
>e-mail:[email protected]
>Pager: +1 800 365-4578
>Empowering the Internet Generation
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: J.D. Falk
>To: Vadim Antonov
>Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected]
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 10:48
>Subject: Re: "Engineer" (Was: Tech contact for Qwest?)
>
>
>
>On 08/22/99, Vadim Antonov <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> David Brouda <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Now, I have mentioned three key words: engineer, professional, and
>ethics.
>> > As a student of engineering, I believe that these three words go
>> > hand-in-hand.
>>
>> The facts that somebody is being professional, educated and ethical does
>not
>> guarantee that he has any idea of what he is doing.  The catch is that a
>> clueless person is generally unware that he's clueless, so he can be quite
>> eithcal and professional in what he thinks he is doing. Watch the hordes
>> of ATM zealots - many of them with very impressive credentials.  Does not
>> make their "contribution" any more worthwhile.
>
>Yeah, but at least they have a code of ethics.  Where'd ours
>go?
>
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