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In addition. Months ago I'v asked about RSVP in Nanog. I'v get 1 (one) answer - just from the Russia - _we use it over one our link_. -:) On Mon, 17 May 1999, Steve Riley (MCS) wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:04:37 -0700 > From: Steve Riley (MCS) <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS? > > > Nice to see that I'm not the only one believing in the foolishness of QoS > hype. Bandwidth is essentially free, and will always be cheaper than QoS. > And since in the end nearly all decisions are based on economics, it should > be apparent which is the more logical decision. > > Allow me to point you to an interesting paper called "Rise of the Stupid > Network." Many of you here may have already seen this. It was written back > in 1997 by David Isenberg, then a reasearcher at AT&T Labs (Isenberg is now > an independent consultant). His paper profoundly changed my views on QoS and > made me realize that networks perform best when we limit how smart they get > and ensure that networks focus on transport only. I urge everyone to read > it. > > Paper: http://www.rageboy.com/stupidnet.html > Isenberg's site: http://www.isen.com/ > > _________________________________________________________ > Steve Riley > Microsoft Telecommunications Practice in Denver, Colorado > email: mailto:[email protected] > call: +1 303 521-4129 (cellular) > page: +1 888 440-6249 or mailto:[email protected] > Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in > the correct screw. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:28 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Is anyone actually USING IP QoS? > > > Yep. Altough not _all_ QoS schemes are broken-as-designed. The > most trivial per-packet priority combined with ingress > priority mix shaping works. Ths idea of end-to-end > whatever reservations or guarantees is usually propounded > by people who either neglected their CS courses or those > who are trying to sell it. > > Yep. The biggest QoS secret is that nobody actually needs > it. Bandwidth is cheap and is growing cheaper. The > manpower needed to deploy and maintain QoS is getting > more and more expensive. > > --vadim > > Aleksei Roudnev, Network Operations Center, Relcom, Moscow (+7 095) 194-19-95 (Network Operations Center Hot Line),(+7 095) 230-41-41, N 13729 (pager) (+7 095) 196-72-12 (Support), (+7 095) 194-33-28 (Fax)
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