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Re: ARIN?

  • From: Derek Balling
  • Date: Sun Nov 08 11:00:48 1998

At 11:58 AM 11/7/98 -0600, Phil Howard wrote:
>> > I don't think arin would object to you giving out static ip's to
>> > those of your users who specifically requst this service. ARIN
>> > will object if you want to assign a static ip every win95 Dialup
>> > person who justs uses the net to surf and check his mail.
>> 
>> Unless you are @home who they have permitted to assign all of their users
>> static IPs.
>
>I wonder if @home has sufficiently proven that it is necessary to actually
>give out static IPs to cable modem subscribers.  Considering that DHCP is
>there, I would have my doubts.

The modem is connected 24x7. What is the purpose of Dynamic vs. Static
*ASIDE FROM MAKING RENUMBERING EASIER*. 

>Regardless of how the market gets sliced up to little providers or going
>all to a few big ones, issuing static IPs one to a household in North
>America alone is going to eat a huge chunk of address space by the time
>the world is all wired up.  There better have been some kind of requirement
>that the space they got can be static for now, but has to become dynamic
>in the future as they expand, such as by getting no more space until they
>show that the peak number of addresses in concurrent use warrants the
>increase.

That's the point - with @Home a static address IS concurrently in use. You
get your cable modem and its up, period. 

Caveat - I'm discussing 2-way 24x7 @home customers. There are markets where
the service is 1-way, I believe, and in THOSE markets, dynamic addressing
makes more sense, because they're NOT all up 24x7 (if they are, the
Cable-ISP's modem pool is going to get large)

>Once concern I have with so many static IPs in use is how do they grow
>their network and keep the routes aggregated?  If one area has a /24 and
>grows to need more, do you give it an arbitrary 2nd /24 or make it a /23?
>Are there going to be hundreds of small announcements from them or just
>a few or one?  At least with dynamic (e.g. DHCP) you can renumber a whole
>area relatively easily and keep it aggregated.

That's one advantage of DHCP vs. static, BUT it isn't a technical issue
that ARIN needs to concern itself with in regard to address space
allocation, its simply an issue internally as how (not) to piss off your
customers.

D