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Oh, I'm quite certain that the "registries" will recognize a court order, which, if they refuse to recognize a reassignment, is precisely what they *should* be forced to recognize. -- -- Karl Denninger ([email protected]) http://www.mcs.net/~karl I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:43:26AM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote: > Sure addresses have intrinsic value, BUT the problem is that attempting > to effect the transfer of title is an exercise in futility given that > none of the regional registeries will honour the transaction. > > Now given that the original 'owner' details remain constant, it raises > the interesting question of how many suckers can be conned into the > buying the same class B. The Broklyn Bridge is a useful precedent here, btw. > > With a means of registering the transaction, the value of the address > space in the current trading market remains heavily discounted. > Unfortunately this trading makes a mockery of the validity of the > allocation registeries, and the longer we sit in denial mode over > address trading the more probable the problems ISPs will face over > attempting to trace actual address ownership, in order to avoid > senseless litigation over incorrect address advertisements in the > routing space. > > Geoff > > > At 03:14 PM 10/5/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: > >David, > > > >Actually, there's every reason to believe that if you have space from prior > >to the adoption of RFC2008 and 2050 you indeed do have something which is > >(1) property, and (2) valuable if someone is willing to pay you for it. > > > >Specifically, RFC2008 says: > > > >While it has never been explicitly stated that various Internet > > Registries use the "address ownership" allocation policy, it has > > always been assumed (and practiced). > > > >That sentence, in particular the last five words of that sentence, are > >extremely important. 10+ years of a given practice and set of operating > >rules cannot be overturned by fiat. > > > >-- > >-- > >Karl Denninger ([email protected]) http://www.mcs.net/~karl > >I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give > >up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization. > > > > > > > >On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 11:47:01AM -0700, David R. Conrad wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Seems scanning ARIN's database for B's is becoming a trend. Anybody want > >> to provide the procmail incantation to forward flems and other wasted bits > >> (like this message) to Gabriel automatically? > >> > >> Don't these people realize addresses have no value? After all, addresses > >> are just integers. Right, Bill? :-) > >> > >> Hmmm. At last! A way to cover the upkeep costs for my black helicopter > >> (they're so useful, I didn't want to return it when I left APNIC)! As > >> APNIC's 16 Bs are still registered to me, I see a _wonderful_ profit > >> potential -- anybody got the URL for the Address Black Market, I seem to > >> have misplaced it...? > >> > >> Regards, > >> -drc > >> --------------- > >> >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:07 GMT > >> >From: "CommuniTech.Net, Inc." <[email protected]> > >> >Subject: Class B Purchase > >> >To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > >> > > >> >My name is Gabriel Murphy and I am with CommuniTech.Net, a rapidly growing > >> >Internet Presence Provider. I am writing you today to inquire if you might > >> >be interested in selling the Class B you have registered through the American > >> >Registry of Internet Numbers. > >> > > >> >As you may or may not know, ARIN is no longer issuing Class B blocks. Our > >> >business is growing quickly and the availability of IP Addresses is > >> fundamental > >> >to our business going forward. > >> > > >> >If you are interested in selling the Class B you have through ARIN, please > >> >contact me personally at [email protected] We realize that an > >> outright > >> >purchase of a Class B would be expensive, but it is extremly important to > >> the > >> >future of our business. We are quite serious about this inquiry and hope to > >> >hear from you soon. > >> > > >> > > >> >Best Regards, > >> > > >> > > >> >Gabriel Murphy > >> >CommuniTech.Net Inc. > >> >http://www.communitech.net > >> > > >
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