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Re: [YA] Fwd: Class B Purchase

  • From: Geoff Huston
  • Date: Tue Oct 06 03:05:42 1998

Sure addresses have intrinsic value, BUT the problem is that attempting
to effect the transfer of title is an exercise in futility given that
none of the regional registeries will honour the transaction.

Now given that the original 'owner' details remain constant, it raises
the interesting question of how many suckers can be conned into the
buying the same class B. The Broklyn Bridge is a useful precedent here, btw.

With a means of registering the transaction, the value of the address
space in the current trading market remains heavily discounted.
Unfortunately this trading makes a mockery of the validity of the
allocation registeries, and the longer we sit in denial mode over
address trading the more probable the problems ISPs will face over
attempting to trace actual address ownership, in order to avoid
senseless litigation over incorrect address advertisements in the
routing space.

  Geoff


At 03:14 PM 10/5/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
>David,
>
>Actually, there's every reason to believe that if you have space from prior
>to the adoption of RFC2008 and 2050 you indeed do have something which is
>(1) property, and (2) valuable if someone is willing to pay you for it.
>
>Specifically, RFC2008 says:
>
>While it has never been explicitly stated that various Internet
>   Registries use the "address ownership" allocation policy, it has
>      always been assumed (and practiced).
>
>That sentence, in particular the last five words of that sentence, are 
>extremely important.  10+ years of a given practice and set of operating
>rules cannot be overturned by fiat.
>
>--
>-- 
>Karl Denninger ([email protected]) http://www.mcs.net/~karl
>I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give
>up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
>
>
>
>On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 11:47:01AM -0700, David R. Conrad wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Seems scanning ARIN's database for B's is becoming a trend.  Anybody want
>> to provide the procmail incantation to forward flems and other wasted bits
>> (like this message) to Gabriel automatically?  
>> 
>> Don't these people realize addresses have no value?  After all, addresses
>> are just integers.  Right, Bill?  :-)
>> 
>> Hmmm.  At last!  A way to cover the upkeep costs for my black helicopter
>> (they're so useful, I didn't want to return it when I left APNIC)!  As
>> APNIC's 16 Bs are still registered to me, I see a _wonderful_ profit
>> potential -- anybody got the URL for the Address Black Market, I seem to
>> have misplaced it...?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> -drc
>> ---------------
>> >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:07 GMT
>> >From: "CommuniTech.Net, Inc." <[email protected]>
>> >Subject: Class B Purchase
>> >To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
>> >
>> >My name is Gabriel Murphy and I am with CommuniTech.Net, a rapidly growing 
>> >Internet Presence Provider.  I am writing you today to inquire if you might
>> >be interested in selling the Class B you have registered through the American
>> >Registry of Internet Numbers.
>> >
>> >As you may or may not know, ARIN is no longer issuing Class B blocks.  Our 
>> >business is growing quickly and the availability of IP Addresses is
>> fundamental 
>> >to our business going forward.  
>> >
>> >If you are interested in selling the Class B you have through ARIN, please 
>> >contact me personally at [email protected]  We realize that an
>> outright 
>> >purchase of a Class B would be expensive, but it is extremly important to
>> the 
>> >future of our business.  We are quite serious about this inquiry and hope to 
>> >hear from you soon.
>> >
>> >
>> >Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >Gabriel Murphy
>> >CommuniTech.Net Inc.
>> >http://www.communitech.net
>> > 
>