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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Your class 'B' address space (fwd)
I don't have an answer to your initial question, but I would say that getting this email-to-address list would be easier than getting a list of contacts for domain names. There are a limited number of IPv4 addresses, and out of that list it's an even smaller pool that are announced. Simply culling a routing table and performing lookups on the addresses would provide such a list in fairly short order, and inverting the search would give you the addresses which are NOT announced (with some unknown aggregation problems making an inverted list slightly more difficult, admittedly.) This table would have _extremely_ limited direct marketing value, since most of the people to whom mail would be directed would a) be clueful enough to recognize attempts such as the one below as pandering and against the ARIN charter, and b) be quite angered at the use of ARIN/RIPE/APNIC data in such a way and would probably engender a significant negative backlash (as I expect should and will occur to the folks at Real Audio, if the included is an authentic message.) So, to get back to NANOG charter material: What, if any, action can ARIN perform to prevent address space buy/sell arrangements? Is it an issue of making information about address owner contacts more difficult to get? This seems like it would be not very effective in the first place, and impedes people who are trying to do their jobs (e.g.: network diagnostics, bad route announcements, etc.) Does ARIN have any direct control over route announcements? No, not currently, but should they? (hoo boy - I'm donning the ceramic jumpsuit for that question... ;) Should ARIN get a consensus with "larger" North American NSPs to refuse or sink a route announcement from an unauthorized source to enforce policy through blackhole tactics? If RPSL is the answer to this problem, are there any intermediate measures that should be taken before that mechanism [is|is even] accepted and implemented? What _is_ an unauthorized source? What do RIPE/APNIC do when presented with the problem of unauthorized buying/selling of address space? JT At 11:43 AM 9/25/98 -0700, Curt Howland wrote: > >Dear Nanog, > >What a fascinating "To:" list this gentleman used. Did >the ARIN database get "shrinkwrapped" or the like? > >Something for your spam filters... > >Curt- > >----- Forwarded message from Curt Howland ----- > >> From [email protected] Fri Sep 25 11:30:34 1998 >> X-Sender: [email protected] >> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) >> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:25:58 -0700 >> To: [email protected]AFB.AF.MIL, [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> rmay%[email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >> [email protected], [email protected] >> From: Mark Vickers <[email protected]> >> Subject: Your class 'B' address space >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> >> Content-Length: 292 >> >> You appear to have a class B net that isn't reachable from my site, or >> perhaps your net is entirely behind a fire wall? >> >> Anyway, I'm wondering if you want to try to sell your class -B address >> space? >> >> Best price someone has offered me so far was $200,000 >> >> Mark Vickers >> RealNetworks, Inc. >> >----- End of forwarded message from Curt Howland -----
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