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Re: Smurf Prevention
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Shaw <[email protected]> To: Richard Thomas <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Smurf Prevention >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Richard Thomas wrote: > >> HOW HARD CAN IT BE to take care of 500 broadcasts? Very hard, since the only >> bcasts still left are those with broken contact information and upstreams >> who haven't been informed or who don't give a damn. Maybe if we all picked >> 10 of the worst offenders every day, picked up the phone, and started >> informing people who have missed the boat... > >I'm still quite fond of blackholing entities which are completely >irresponsible, though for the larger carriers this wouldn't be much of a >threat. But after having tried to track down smurfers, I'm wondering if >anyone has ever actually done it. I would think you would have to either >get in touch with a smurf amplifier or their upstream to track the DoS, >but how successful has anyone been in doing so? I would think that >since smurfs have been popular amongst the script kiddies for so long >that all the entities that are easy to get in touch with have already >heard from victims and hopefully fixed the situation. Also, I wonder if >there is any way to hold the amplifiers legally responsible for smurfs >that use their networks after being given repeated notice? I certainly know people who have had it traced back (when a bcast being used is on a major backbone, or after 2-3 days of being attacked), but I have not actually heard of anyone being "caught". In all cases the smurfer was on a university network, several times in euro, a few in the US, and no attempts were made to find the kid involved. Besides we all know the only thing they would find is someone's wingate. As for holding amplifiers responsible, everyone talks about it, nobody does it, and if they are liable for being a broadcast you're not gonna get much of a judgement, since you can't prove malicious intent.