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North American Network Operators Group Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index | Thread Index | Author Index | Historical Re: Government scrutiny is headed our way
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 02:10:29PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: > > Didn't say there wasn't a problem. Just don't let's go _there_, ok? > > No, we need to go there. > > "Voluntary" cooperation isn't working, because the major NOCs don't > cooperate. Like ever. I've given up reporting these and just block the > amplifiers, because it is POINTLESS to spend 30 minutes on hold to get a > NOC person on the phone who either refuses assistance or refuses to > escalate the matter to someone who knows what to do. > > Since they don't cooperate, the only two defenses are: > > 1. Black-hole detected amplifier networks (what we're doing here). Indeed. And what I think is the best approach. Kick 'em in the nads^Wnets. > 2. Government intervention to slap penalties on those who don't > cooperate with such reports, and vendors who don't make it > possible for NOCs to cooperate *reasonably*. Governments have a demonstrated habit of not building such constraints so as to incent (I hate that word, but can't think of an acceptable synonym just now) the _right_ changes in behavior patterns -- this is the same discussion as was just had about Usenet cancel messages a couple hours ago. > I'd really like it if this didn't have to happen. Seriously. But as long > as network operators decide to play stupid when they are hit with these > requests, and/or just tell you to bite it (and I've heard both) then the > two above steps are both reasonable and necessary. I think that the approach here is to find the executive level people to whom those people report, and explain to _them_ that if they don't get their houses in order, the government is likely to do it for them. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth [email protected] Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby, Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592 Managing Editor, Top Of The Key sports e-zine ------------ http://www.totk.com
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