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Actually, they are not cross-marketing in ALL 14 states. The Washington Association of ISPs managed to work with the Utilities Commission in Washington to put language in the tariff that prevents/limits cross-marketing. Take a look at the tariff at http://tariffs.uswest.com and check the Washington MegaBit tariffs. Some of the language from that tariff could be incorporated into other state tariffs to prevent this kind of cross-marketing. If you know of any cross-marketing please let us know. The WUTC would love to hear as well. --------------------------------------------- Chad Skidmore Director of Network Engineering Northwest Nexus, Inc. http://www.nwnexus.com 1-888-NWNEXUS > -----Original Message----- > From: Dax Kelson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 1998 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: US West and RADSL (fwd) > > > > Doesn't look like her email made it to the NANOG list. > Co-marketing of an > ILEC ISP along with the DSL circuit is going to be a big issue as the > ILECs rollout DSL nationwide. DSL is coming probably faster then you > think, we turned up the first DSL connection in Utah a couple > weeks ago. > > Dax Kelson > Internet Connect, Inc. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:18:39 -0600 > From: Marianne Granoff <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: US West and RADSL > > [snip] > >I could go on and on about the VERY APPALLING situation here > with USW and > >DSL and Internet access, about regulated and unregulated > services, etc, > >etc. > > > >Dax Kelson > >Internet Connect, Inc. > > The preceeding message was forwarded to me by one of our NM > ISPs. US West > has been co-marketing its Internet service _with_ its RADSL > service in all > of its 14 states > (http://www.uswest.com/com/customers/interprise/dsl/). > Actions by ISP groups in Oregon and New Mexico may provide > some relief to > local ISPs there. > > I have just put up a listserve for ISPs in the US West states > to use in > sharing information. Technet has had one for the NM ISPs for > several years > - it has been a big help in getting out the word about some of these > actions. How about [email protected]? Please feel free to > send this out > to any interested ISPs. > > To subscribe, just send an empty note to: > > [email protected] > > I believe that all the RBOCs/ILECs have taken or will be > taking similar > actions. Even Sprint's new ION services are part of this > trend. In my > opinion, this is anti-competitive behavior by monopoly > organizations. I > think that many local ISPs will be severly hurt by such > actions, and more > than a few will close their doors. > > As I see it - the biggest problem is that local ISPs are not > organized and > do not know how - or have the forums - to work together to > fight actions by > a company the size of US West (or other RBOC/ILEC). My > company, New Mexico > Technet, is one of the larger ISPs in NM. We wholesale > Internet access to > other ISPs. We have intervened in the NM tariff filing for US West's > Megabit services (see http://www.technet.nm.org/press.htm) to > attempt to > correct some of the things that are very anti-competitive about the > proposed tariff. So far it has cost us over $30,000 in legal > fees and we > have not even had the hearing yet. Most local ISPs cannot do > this. Most > local ISPs do not know how to take the actions with the FCC > or with the > state public regulatory agencies so that their concerns can > even be heard. > Frankly - most ISPs are not members of CIX or of ISP/C - and > many of them > do not even know about those organizations, or understand why > they should > care. > > In NM, the local ISPs come in mostly 2 flavors: those that serve urban > areas (Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Las Cruces, Los Alamos) who > "may" be affected > by what US West does but are not sure, and those in rural > areas who do not > feel they will ever be affected by these actions, and so do > not care. In > much of US West's 14 state territory - I suspect that this is > similar. The > local ISPs in the urban areas have mostly seen the other local ISPs as > competitors, not collaborators. They have seen US West (or > the RBOC/ILEC) > as a vendor, not as a competitor. Most local ISPs worry > about retribution > from US West (or other RBOC/ILEC) (delayed service, > unresponsiveness on > outages, unfilled orders) if they come on too strong in criticizing a > company that they are _so_ dependent on. I am not sure that > their concerns > are not valid. > > The local (state) regulatory agencies are overworked and > underfunded in > this age of telecommunications transition/revolution. It is > not that they > don't care. It is that they simply have too much on their > plates already. > Few states provided extra funding to handle all the _new_ > issues raised by > the 1996 Telecommunications Act at the _state_ regulatory > agency level. No > one is championing any of this in most states. I think > probably because it > is not considered a problem by the vast majority of ISP > _customers_. I had > one of my customers tell me to "just get out of the way" and > let US West > introduce the high speed service because the customer needed > it right away > and I was just holding it up. They never saw that US West > owned some of > the blame in the constant delays, counterfilings, > interrogatories, motions > to compel, and other actions that have caused this > intervention to drag on. > Unfortunately, this person is more typical of ISP customers > than local > ISPs want to believe. > > The saddest aspect of this is that unless something changes, > US West and > the other RBOCs/ILECs will likely dominate the supply of > Internet access in > large urban areas in a few years - and the rural areas will > have a great > deal less Internet access than they do today. > > I think the answer is that the local ISPs _and their > customers_ have to > come together if they want to have choices about ISPs in the > future. It > will take some of the larger ISPs reaching out to the smaller > local ISPs to > help them get _all_ of their respective customers informed of > the issues. > It will take the larger ISPs intervening in more state and > FCC proceedings. > It will take constant email, listserves, and newsgroups > spreading such > information - and reaching customers - not just ISPs. It > will take some > national politicians to "champion" this cause - some who are > not worried > about losing RBOC/ILEC campaign contributions - which are > considerable. It > will take involvement by media organizations that are not > worried about > losing the RBOC advertising revenues - which are also considerable. > > It will take every local ISP who is harmed by US West actions calling, > writing, or emailing their local and national politicians and > letting them > know that they have informed all of their own customers about > the actions > by US West or other RBOC/ILEC and informing their customers > of the fact > that the politician has not responded to these > illegal/unethical/anti-competitive actions. > > In NM, it is now other internet professionals and businesses that have > joined ISPs in questioning the actions of US West. Web > designers, web page > hosting services, internet trainers, web-advertising services > and other > businesses are starting to realize that US West wants to take their > Internet-based business as well. This is a start. > > Regards, > > Marianne > > Marianne Granoff > Director of Operations > New Mexico Technet, Inc. > 5921 Jefferson NE > Albuquerque, N.M. 87109 > Ph: (505) 345-6555 > FAX: (505) 345-6559 > email: [email protected] or [email protected] > >
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