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Re: What do we do with clueless ISPs

  • From: Henry Linneweh
  • Date: Sun Mar 22 18:17:28 1998

UUnet and Alternet seem to carry a large amount of the smurf traffic as it
down the line, it would seem the responsible thing to do is have network
to track and log and trace source locations on its out of country backbones
these attacks stem from....need I get more clueful?

Henry R. Linneweh

Joe Shaw wrote:

> Last weekend we had one host on our network as the target of a smurf
> attack.  When I reported it to both our upstreams (UUNet and Time Warner
> who reported it to MCI), we got two stories.  MCI, whom I'm not even a
> direct customer of started tracking the attack as soon as they were
> informed.  UUNet took an hour to get a security person on the phone who
> then told me that there was nothing they could do, period.
> My question is this: When will UUNet have security types on duty 7 days a
> week, and will said people be clueful enough to track this sort of thing
> down?  I told the people at UUNet that we were under smurf attack, and
> then I had to go through a 10 minute explanation of what a smurf attack
> was and what it was doing.  I would expect a worldwide NSP to keep up with
> things like this, especially when a regional like myself can.
> I had logged all ICMP traffic coming into our network via an access list,
> and could give them all the information they needed to get to the
> offending networks, so it's not like they had such a hard job ahead of
> them.
> Joe Shaw - [email protected]
> NetAdmin - Insync Internet Services
> On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > How does one send "samples" of a Smurf
> >
> > When BBN's NOC handed one to our NOC yesterday, or was it the day before,
> > they sent a cut and paste of
> >   o configuring their edge cisco to detect and log
> >   o the log
> > which both documented the problem and, if our NOC did not have smurf clue,
> > gave a clue on how to track.
> >
> > [ aside: it was tracked to the perp and stomped ]
> >
> > randy