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Re: IP spoofing and spamming

  • From: Dalvenjah FoxFire
  • Date: Tue Oct 28 21:09:15 1997

I'm no lawyer, but i'd do the following:

* Have an AUP that has something akin to the following paragraph:

  If you spam, either through us or through another ISP, then your
  account with us will be terminated with extreme prejudice. You will
  also be charged <some exorbitant sum of money> for our work in
  tracking your spam down and repairing our reputation.

Then, you can talk to the other ISP, explain the situation, request that
they forward 10 or so of the complaints to you, and boot the idiot.

Granted, I don't know how this would work as far as contract law goes,
but it seems to make some amount of sense.


Hank Nussbacher put this into my mailbox:
> Please no religionics.  Part of the below is true - part is what will happen
> in the near future:
> I have a spammer I am trying to block.  He is multihomed to me and ISP X.
> He has address a.b.c.d from me and address a.b.c.e from ISP X.  Users
> started seeing spams from a.b.c.e and complained to ISP X.  He shut off SMTP
> to the customer but the spamming continued.  Turns out the user defaults out
> to me no matter what, so his address was a.b.c.e when coming out of me.  For
> me that is a spoofed address.  I then go to block his spoofed address.  User
> then says, it is a valid address and I have no business blocking his IP
> addresses, whether he has them from me or ISP X.  I then say I'll block SMTP
> and the user says, "show me one letter from a user on the Internet
> complaining to you that I am spamming".  Since his dns is located elsewhere
> and since the IP addresses are not mine, the users aren't complaining to me
> - but to ISP X and perhaps ISP Y (providing him secondary DNS service).  All
> the ISP X & Y attempts to shut out the spam aren't affective due to the
> multihoming.
> What do we do in these cases?

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